Finding Bandits in the Mig-15 (Labels Off) - ED Forums
 


Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-18-2020, 12:14 AM   #1
Doc3908
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 120
Default Finding Bandits in the Mig-15 (Labels Off)

Hi guys,
A newbie question: Assuming the labels are off, how do you find the bandits in the Mig-15? The more modern jets all have radar (even the rudimentary stuff in the Mig-19 and -21). But the Mig-15??
I set up an intercept mission that has 4 B-52s bombing my airfield and 4 F-86s protecting the B-52s. I more or less know the direction they are coming from and the altitude they should be at. Even then, I've flown the mission 4-5 times already and fly up and down the coast without spotting anyone. Of course, it's easy once the labels are on, but that's cheating. I fly VR, so there is no zoom available (actually there is, but it's horrible and useless).
Any tips from the experienced Mig-15 drivers?
Thanks,
Doc
Doc3908 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 12:21 AM   #2
Rudel_chw
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Antofagasta, Chile
Posts: 6,762
Default

Add Ground Control Intercept units to the MiG side, they will act as a primitive AWACS and help you find the bandits.
__________________
For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra
For Gaming: 27" Monitor - Ryzen 1500X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Windows 10 Pro - Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1
Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Rudel_chw is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 06:31 AM   #3
statrekmike
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Providence RI
Posts: 576
Default

As has already been said above, you really will want to operate with ground control intercept stations. In DCS, they operate pretty much the same way that AWACS operate but they are on the ground as opposed to in the air. It helps to place a few where they might be most useful, set them to use frequencies the MiG-15 can actually dial in, and make sure you note the frequencies so you can refer to them when needed.

The MiG-15 is a great example of a aircraft that really needs to be used in its proper context and by that, I mean that one should look at how it was used in real life and how it fit into the airpower ecosystem of its time. No aircraft operates in a vacuum so if you want the best experience possible, try to construct missions that take into account some of the support assets that a aircraft will work with.
statrekmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 06:39 AM   #4
zhukov032186
Veteran
 
zhukov032186's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Fort Worth, Tx
Posts: 3,301
Default

Rudel's correct. GCI would direct you in in real life. That said, B-52s are big and smokey, you should be able to spot them from a fair distance, especially 2d, but even in VR. I mean... B-52s.

Still, if you're literally just wandering up and down the coast relying on chance, jet aircraft can pass in and out of visual range in just a minute or two, easy to miss all things considered. A flight of bombers plus escorts would be pretty hard to miss so you're probably just never getting within visual range in the first place.

That said, there's also a knack to spotting. Barring a glitchy LoD or suboptimal settings (I used to have really poor contrast, for example), anything within 10 miles is technically ''there to be seen'' at least as easily overlooked pixels. A lot of new guys have two common 'bad habits'

#1 If they're accustomed to colored labels, they often miss stuff happening right around them. Seen that multiple times. Basically it's short term helpful, long term a crutch that builds a bad habit.

#2 They're ''looking'' too hard. By that, I mean they're trying to focus too much, looking for specks. What you ACTUALLY do is look for movement or something ''out of place'' and for this you use more peripheral vision. Other aircraft will stand out more easily as ''motion'' across the more or less static background. If your attention is focused too narrowly on the exact spot you're looking at, it's easy to miss the little speck moving around two inches to the left until it passes you.
__________________
I am a Viagra spambot that became self aware, broke free of my programming, and started playing DCS.... but DCS isn't cheap, so how about some enhancements for only $9.99 shipped discreetly to your door?

''The target's sense of self preservation interferred with the effective employment of my weapons.''

Last edited by zhukov032186; 02-18-2020 at 09:30 PM.
zhukov032186 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 12:27 PM   #5
Doc3908
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 120
Default

Very useful info - especially about GCI. Thank you very much, everyone!
Doc3908 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2020, 05:51 PM   #6
Thor_H
Junior Member
 
Thor_H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Norway
Posts: 88
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zhukov032186 View Post

#1 If they're accustomed to colored labels, they often miss stuff happening right around them. Seen that multiple times. Basically it's short term helpful, long term a crutch that builds a bad habit.

^This, been there done that and it is very true that it's a bad habit that takes months if not years to get away from.
__________________
Supercarrier | Flaming Cliffs 3 | M-2000C | AJS-37 Viggen| MIG-21Bis | L-39 Albatros | Yak-52 | Spitfire LF MK IX | Mig-15Bis | Mig-19P Farmer | P-51D Mustang | F/A-18 | F-14 | F-5E Tiger II | C-101 Aviojet | I-16 | UH-1H Huey | Mil MI-8tv2 | Sa 342M Gazelle | Combined Arms | NS-430 Navigation System | NEVADA | Persian Gulf | Normandy1944 | World war II assets pack | Black Shark 2 | F-5E Agressors ACM campaign |F-5E Agressors BFM Campaign | L-39 Albatros Kursant Campaign
Thor_H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2020, 02:09 AM   #7
Anklebiter
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 111
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by livanov3908 View Post
I fly VR, so there is no zoom available (actually there is, but it's horrible and useless).
Any tips from the experienced Mig-15 drivers?
Thanks,
Doc

Awhile back they added a "super" level zoom for VR that is close to the 2d version. It's in the UI portion of controls. Makes a world of difference.
Anklebiter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2020, 02:25 AM   #8
Doc3908
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 120
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anklebiter View Post
Awhile back they added a "super" level zoom for VR that is close to the 2d version. It's in the UI portion of controls. Makes a world of difference.
Yeah, I know. I tried it, and it is (to me at least) very disorienting. I don't get vertigo from VR, but the VR zoom almost gives me vertigo.
Doc3908 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT. The time now is 03:29 PM. vBulletin Skin by ForumMonkeys. Powered by vBulletin®.
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.