imacken Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Is there a list somewhere of the modules that have gone keyless? I know most have, and they tend to be listed in changelogs, but awkward to find. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb71 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I can list the modules I have. With serial number: L-39 Albatros MiG-21bis NS430 Navigation System Without serial number ("keyless"): AV-8B Night Attack NS430 Navigation System for L-39 cockpit L-39 Albatros: Kursant (campaign) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Thanks for that. I really don't know why it is so hard to get a simple comprehensive list from ED on this. Not exactly a secret is it? On the other hand, maybe it is! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatstar98 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Thanks for that. I really don't know why it is so hard to get a simple comprehensive list from ED on this. Not exactly a secret is it? On the other hand, maybe it is! New DCS modules don't have a serial number All new modules after release of AV-8B and many new campaigns has No serial number because of the new protection system. Your successful order in E-shop means that you have access to this module. It's important to be logged with your account to DCS World game. More information about new keys system here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=196585 (Source: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/711/) Chinook lover - Rober - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn kamikaze Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 They did say they are looking at converting all older modules over to keyless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 New DCS modules don't have a serial number All new modules after release of AV-8B and many new campaigns has No serial number because of the new protection system. Your successful order in E-shop means that you have access to this module. It's important to be logged with your account to DCS World game. More information about new keys system here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=196585 (Source: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/711/) I know all that. Lots of the old modules and campaigns have already been converted to keyless as per various changelogs over the last year or so. What I am asking, is there a list of modules that are now keyless? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatstar98 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I know all that. Lots of the old modules and campaigns have already been converted to keyless as per various changelogs over the last year or so. What I am asking, is there a list of modules that are now keyless? You will need to find all the messages Chinook lover - Rober - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb71 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I'm sure he knows all that. What he is looking for is a complete list of modules which still use serial numbers and modules which are "keyless". All in one place. I would find such list handy, too. "DCS new modules" is kind of vague (I think Mirage was supposed to be the first "keyless" one). I have an older list (from May 2018 ) of modules from Steam which still used StarForce - those had a serial number (so Steam purchased modules which can also be activated on DCS stand-alone). I guess it's safe to assume that all those are using serial numbers even when directly bought for the stand-alone version (from the DCS store). The modules marked with a white bar use StarForce (so those should have a serial number): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) I can list the modules I have... :) this is the status for mine: Keyless: I've a minor mistake here .. one of the F-14 is actually the F/A-18 :) Star Force: Edited December 11, 2018 by Rudel_chw For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 OK, to that list I can add: Keyless: Aircraft - Harrier Hornet Campaigns - F-5E Aggressors Advanced Flight Spitfire Operation Epsom Spitfire IX The Big Show Must be getting close to a full list now. What's missing? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 hat's missing? The Yak-52 (most likely KeyLess) and some of the newer Campaigns (likely KL too) ... the days of Star Force are numbered it seems :) Only downside of KL is that pretty much requires Internet connection .. I dont really trust the Offline Mode yet. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacleyCole Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What difference does it make if you own the mod BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 What difference does it make if you own the mod None whatsoever! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What difference does it make if you own the mod The difference is that, when upgrading your PC or reinstalling Windows, there is no need to deactivate the modules that use Keyless protection. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What difference does it make if you own the mod The difference is that, when upgrading your PC or reinstalling Windows, there is no need to deactivate the modules that use Keyless protection. As well as, Uniformity. A set standard protocol between all modules. Not half this, half that. Less trouble shooting when all on the same page. For example, in a Company, you do not have 1st Platoon wearing one uniform of the day, 2nd Platoon wearing a different uniform of the day and, 3rd Platoon wearing another different uniform of the day. Happy Simming, Monnie Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUS_Heracles Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On the DCS module page it states if a module is keyless just above the more button I feel the need The need for jet engines to create thrust in order to have differential pressure on the wings which achieves aerodynamics lift at high velocity Ooww!! An expert is someone who knows each time more on each time less, until he finally knows absolutely everything about absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 On the DCS module page it states if a module is keyless just above the more button Unfortunately, that info is useless as it is totally inaccurate. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer1-1 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think most modules are ported over already to the keyless system. If you bought a module that had starforce embedded, then its likely you will keep that serial until further notice. At least thats what my take is, as I have every module already - most since day 1 of release. Intel 13900k @ 5.8ghz | 64gb GSkill Trident Z | MSI z790 Meg ACE| Zotac RTX4090 | Asus 1000w psu | Slaw RX Viper 2 pedals | VKB Gunfighter Mk3 MCE Ultimate + STECS/ Virpil MongoosT50+ MongoosT50CM |Virpil TCS+ AH64D grip + custom AH64D TEDAC | HP Reverb G2 | Windows 11 Pro | |Samsung Odyssey G9 | Next Level Racing Flight Seat Pro My wallpaper and skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think most modules are ported over already to the keyless system. You can see from post #9, and others, that is not true. There are still quite a few that are not. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worrazen Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I think most modules are ported over already to the keyless system. If you bought a module that had starforce embedded, then its likely you will keep that serial until further notice. At least thats what my take is, as I have every module already - most since day 1 of release. Yeah, I don't mind the process, just that I would get notified when the change happens to my existing starforce modules, and to see which of my modules are which method. That would avoid any issued and confusion Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolek Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Yeah, I don't mind the process, just that I would get notified when the change happens to my existing starforce modules, and to see which of my modules are which method. That would avoid any issued and confusion For your own modules that's easy, in the Module Manager on the Installed tab you can see which modules have serial numbers and which don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 For your own modules that's easy, in the Module Manager on the Installed tab you can see which modules have serial numbers and which don't. Now that is a useful bit of info. Thanks. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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