JF-17 Thunder Discussions

Great work Beamscanner!

Found an article with a picture of the Chinese equivalent of SFW, using same acronym Deka did, TSA for terminal sensing ammunition.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-develops-smart-ammunition-2012-4

Found an article with a picture of the Chinese equivalent of SFW, using same acronym Deka did, TSA for terminal sensing ammunition.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-develops-smart-ammunition-2012-4

http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/ab/rbk500.html

Good find Lamko! Explains how that evolved. Wonder if they spin like BLU-108. EDIT: looks like retracting fins for spin? Very simple and practical

I have also found a few things, MiG-21/F-7 tanks have been tested at least for center pylon. I know we probably couldn’t hope for it with Deka’s unless late Block II functionality is added. I’m sure it takes a software change for SMS to know what it’s carrying. Interesting none the less for lower drag load out

I've read something about BRM1-90mm rockets for the JF-17. I cannot find that much info on this weapon, but is it something like the Frogfoot's/Flankers/Ka50 80mm rockets but with laser guidance? That would be so awesome to use

Yes laser guided and can carry I think 14 per pod on all wing stations but wingtip pylons, pop sci article for 2014 Zhuhai show says

“NORINCO's BRM1 90mm guided rocket uses semi active laser guidance, has a range of 8 km and a weight of 16.8kg. It can even attack some aircraft, like low flying UAVs, as well as be used to attack concentrations of infantry, armored vehicles and high value targets like air defenses and artillery. Launched in a salvo of seven rockets, the BRM1 could even overwhelm a tank's Active Protection System, like the Israeli Trophy, to hit the weak turret top armor.”

I’m sure you are tired of me but I couldn’t help and post some pictures I found, I think i have a problem. There are examples of the air brakes as well as examples of weathering. I don’t know if contrast is enhanced or how much, hopefully an okay reference for liveries. Also the only picture I have found of the gun firing

Credit to Ugurozkan and falcons.pk

Yes laser guided and can carry I think 14 per pod on all wing stations but wingtip pylons, pop sci article for 2014 Zhuhai show says

 

“NORINOC's BRM1 90mm guided rocket uses semi active laser guidance, has a range of 8 km and a weight of 16.8kg. It can even attack some aircraft, like low flying UAVs, as well as be used to attack concentrations of infantry, armored vehicles and high value targets like air defenses and artillery. Launched in a salvo of seven rockets, the BRM1 could even overwhelm a tank's Active Protection System, like the Israeli Trophy, to hit the weak turret top armor.”

That's awesome! :thumbup:

Here are some photos I took at an airshow a couple of years back. Enjoy!

Good photos!

So would the below mock up be accurate?

 

Pretty accurate. The brick may not be exactly a square. Well done. :thumbup:

I see that the PL-15 is not listed in the first page of this thread. Any reason why? According to the Wikipedia, JF-17 is listed as one of the lauch platforms of PL-15.

ps: Sorry if this quesiton was asked before.

I see that the PL-15 is not listed in the first page of this thread. Any reason why? According to the Wikipedia, JF-17 is listed as one of the lauch platforms of PL-15.

 

 

ps: Sorry if this quesiton was asked before.

In fact, there is almost no pl15 equipped. Many of the equipment and functions in the plan are just one idea. Pakistan's military is seriously short of funds, and even radar equipment has removed the most important SAR mode in order to cut costs. In theory, we will also have a high-precision SAR comparable to an / apg68 (V) 9 radar, but unfortunately, the maximum resolution is only 32:1 as DBS mode, which has limited effect and is not ideal.

In fact, there is almost no pl15 equipped. Many of the equipment and functions in the plan are just one idea. Pakistan's military is seriously short of funds, and even radar equipment has removed the most important SAR mode in order to cut costs. In theory, we will also have a high-precision SAR comparable to an / apg68 (V) 9 radar, but unfortunately, the maximum resolution is only 32:1 as DBS mode, which has limited effect and is not ideal.

AFAIK, the PL-15 was equipped for testing on the block II. I think testing was to see whether it was capable to work with the current radar as PAK wanted to expedite delivery of the PL-15 due to performance concerns of PL-12.

Not sure if the PL-15 was determined to be capable of working with block II or not. Planned for block III.

A quick google search will result in images of the JF-17 carrying, not sure if I could post those links here or I would.

If you find a picture I’m interested in seeing it. I have only seen SD-10. I don’t expect PL-15 to be shown off until BIII. And even then, Pakistan I don’t think is going for the gold plated solution. For example people have said Block III was supposed to fly a long time ago, they are taking their time with AESA, I assume to save costs. Here’s some pictures of what I think is the KLJ-7A(don’t think LKF-601 is still in the running?) being tested..

And koaqumba, do I remember correctly that it was said DBS will not be in early access?

If you find a picture I’m interested in seeing it. I have only seen SD-10. I don’t expect PL-15 to be shown off until BIII. And even then, Pakistan I don’t think is going for the gold plated solution. For example people have said Block III was supposed to fly a long time ago, they are taking their time with AESA, I assume to save costs. Here’s some pictures of what I think is the KLJ-7A(don’t think LKF-601 is still in the running?) being tested..

 

And koaqumba, do I remember correctly that it was said DBS will not be in early access?

Yeah I can give the picture, just not sure if the source is allowed in ED forums or not.

The picture below or above? is supposedly a PL-15 on a JF-17, I'm not extremely knowledgeable, but on first glance its not a PL-12 as far as I can tell. But at the same time, the image isn't the greatest quality.

Additionally, there isn't any other evidence with this photo. (Additional photos) So it could be faked or etc. I can't say, just the rumor that has been going on, is that they did test PL-12 with block II. So do take with a grain of salt.

Edit- And by no means am I saying we should get the PL-15 in DCS if it was able to be equipped on block II reliably. (IE the testing trials were true, and it did work well with BLK II) I don't think it has a place in DCS and far too little is known about it. I was just mentioning earlier, that it was believed that it was "supposedly" trialed due to PAK concerns with PL-12. Nothing more, nothing less.

Guys! I really had a bad day today! I need some good news about the JF-17! :D

I have been reading a lot about this airplane recently. It is really great, interesting and modern airplane. Deka is doing extremely well with the simulation as far as I see. I really wish you success guys and I'm waiting this module. RWR has impressed me a lot.

Why JF17?

I have quite surprised to see a plane inducted in 2007 is coming to DCS. Other planes like F22(1996), Dassault Rafale(2001), Eurofighter Typhoon(2003) and a lot of other mass-produced planes nowhere to be seen.

1. What is the logic behind this? Is it like a developer develop on a plane and just publish it?

2. Most of the new plane's capabilities are unknowns, including JF17, so development are made on just speculation?

No, developments aren't made on speculations, they have their sources.

It will probably be block II, so even later. It is an export aircraft so nothing is in it that China needs extreme strict control over like a domestic only plane might. I really think it was the stars aligning giving us a Chinese developer that AVIC apparently trusts and being able to do this plane. What surprises me more is that the plane was chosen by poll. I think back then it was said block I to keep our expectations in check and see how development goes. But so many of the weapons are Block II now, there’s an AAR refueling switch!

I don’t think they are developing it on speculation, they have manuals practice in the real sim, sounds like they even have contacts with PAF and have visited the factories that make some of the weapons. Hell they visited Topeka Kansas just to document their J-8II Pearl of Peace even though is not yet any concrete plans other then eventual AI. I think we are in good hands:)

I have quite surprised to see a plane inducted in 2007 is coming to DCS. Other planes like F22(1996), Dassault Rafale(2001), Eurofighter Typhoon(2003)and a lot of other mass-produced planes nowhere to be seen.

The JF-17 is a plane specifically designed to be an export plane if i recall correctly (someone correct me if I'm wrong). As a result, the manufacturers would prob be more open to share info about it as there are no state secrets that need to be kept.

I have quite surprised to see a plane inducted in 2007 is coming to DCS. Other planes like F22(1996), Dassault Rafale(2001), Eurofighter Typhoon(2003) and a lot of other mass-produced planes nowhere to be seen.

 

1. What is the logic behind this? Is it like a developer develop on a plane and just publish it?

2. Most of the new plane's capabilities are unknowns, including JF17, so development are made on just speculation?

1) The reason we don't (and probably won't for the foreseeable future) have aircraft like the F22, Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen, etc is largely based on available public data and licensing. The F22 is a perfect example of this because a lot of the systems, manuals, documents, etc are still classified. Any mods out there that have been created are emulations of the aircraft and not full simulations.

2) Deka has direct access to a no kidding JF17 simulator from my understanding and access to plenty of documentation/manuals given it's export status. I'm gonna go on a limb based on what happened with ED and the F18 that some systems/characteristics are still hush hush and probably will be similar but not 100% accurate as part of a licensing agreement.

I suspect the manufacturer finds this as a truly cheap way to advertise their aircraft in certain circles.

I suspect the manufacturer finds this as a truly cheap way to advertise their aircraft in certain circles.

Would not surprise me if DCS in a few years was crawling with LCA/COIN planes and other for export combat hardware targeted at developing countries like the Hawk 200 and L-159