[ALREADY REPORTED]Wingman detecting contacts at extreme distances

Grabbed today's 2.5.5.40269 Open Beta, and it looks like wingmen are suddenly able to detect targets at very extreme ranges.

Flying the F/A-18 with my AI wingman, he started calling out targets at anywhere from 200nm to 350nm (see attached screenshot).

Given that the Hornet's maximum radar display range is 160nm, this seems like a bug.

EDIT: Added a very brief track demonstrating my wingman detecting two Mig-29s at 400nm.

Wingman Detection.trk

I think it's the RWR. Try setting an enemy F/A-18 and then fly against it at long range with and without your radar on and pointed in their direction.

I think it's the RWR. Try setting an enemy F/A-18 and then fly against it at long range with and without your radar on and pointed in their direction.

I'm not sure I understand.

It's my wingman who's detecting the targets, not me. I'm not sure what turning my own radar off would achieve. I'm also not sure why an enemy F/A-18 would be a better test case than an enemy Mig-29.

Am I missing something?

"AI Wingmen will use radar by default without player permission."

This was in the latest beta patch, so maybe that's what causing it.

Hi

 

yes wingmen are now using RADAR by default, which is what you are most likely seeing here

 

thanks

Yeah, I know that. My point is that they shouldn’t be able to spot targets at 400nm when the radar’s display limit is 160nm.

Given the responses to date, I feel as though I've done a poor job of communicating the issue.

Just so we're all on the same page, the reasons I think this is a pretty major and important issue are:

1. REALISM / CHEATING - When the AI can see 3x further than a human pilot flying the same aircraft, that's a really major issue. Aside from the clear issues with realism, I suspect that this also implies a bunch of gameplay issues, too.

2. IMMERSION-BREAKING - It totally breaks any potential for surprise/discovery/ambush when your wingman acts like a mini-AWACS and instantly calls out every single contact on the map. There's no anticipation or foreboding about what might lie in wait at the target point when your wingman's already announced absolutely everything.

3. ANNOYING RADIO CALLS - I've been building a mission that has a lot of air traffic. It's now the case that the wingman makes 30+ "new contact" calls after takeoff - even when the targets in question are 3x further away than his radar should be able to see.

Put these all together, and this feels like a really significant issue that needs to get resolved in the pretty near future.

Given the responses to date, I feel as though I've done a poor job of communicating the issue.

 

Just so we're all on the same page, the reasons I think this is a pretty major and important issue are:

 

1. REALISM / CHEATING - When the AI can see 3x further than a human pilot flying the same aircraft, that's a really major issue. Aside from the clear issues with realism, I suspect that this also implies a bunch of gameplay issues, too.

 

2. IMMERSION-BREAKING - It totally breaks any potential for surprise/discovery/ambush when your wingman acts like a mini-AWACS and instantly calls out every single contact on the map. There's no anticipation or foreboding about what might lie in wait at the target point when your wingman's already announced absolutely everything.

 

3. ANNOYING RADIO CALLS - I've been building a mission that has a lot of air traffic. It's now the case that the wingman makes 30+ "new contact" calls after takeoff - even when the targets in question are 3x further away than his radar should be able to see.

 

Put these all together, and this feels like a really significant issue that needs to get resolved in the pretty near future.

You did a perfectly fine job of stating the point in the OP, the responses on the other hand were not related to the issue you raise. By all means that seems like a bug.

PS:Additionally, even if they detect the enemy planes thanks to their RWR, it would still be a bug since they should only give you bearing not distance.

AI radar performance is reported:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=244357

AI radar performance is reported:

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=244357

Ah. Perfect. Thanks for the response and the link, Exorcet. Much appreciated. :thumbup:

It's obviously less great that it hasn't been addressed 5 months after being reported, though... :hmm: