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Old 08-09-2018, 09:44 PM   #181
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Right now I'm changing the springs in the warBRD. I had to anyway because the original springs had a salt packet stuck inside them

But I notice the black heavy springs are rusted. I will attempt to put them on but I was wondering if I can put some oil on them? Mine be tough getting them on like this?

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Old 08-09-2018, 09:51 PM   #182
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Agreed! She sounds like a keeper. This one it's the first time she's coming over here so I want to take it easy. The package is incredibly light for a base and grip.

I will try and get it all set up tomorrow after work before I attempt to change the springs in the warBRD.

For everyone else hang in there, once it ships at least if you are in the US, it is just 8 days or so depending where in the states you are located. I was expecting it to be stuck in customs at NY.

Work on getting her to play with your main joystick first ....worry about the others later
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:08 PM   #183
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Ok so got the springs changed. Couldn't seem to connect the mt 50 stick to the base. I lined up the connectors and holes and slowly lowered it in, screwed the collar on.

Software is telling me to update firmware and that it's a vpc Delta?

I don't have a Delta grip connected I have the black edition mt-50 grip. Where do I get the right firmware?

Currently showing this screen.

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Old 08-09-2018, 11:13 PM   #184
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Did you look here ? Page 7 of the quick start guide....
https://virpil.com/en/support/downloads
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:57 AM   #185
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Yup I got the guide and the video that I watched. Finally managed to set it up. I was afraid because it was telling me wrong device. I had to got to firmware tab, open firmware mode, load the firmware from the zip file.

Then I was able to close that and go back and select load profile, then import profile, select the Mt 50 with warbrd.

Then save the profile and then calibrate. Here is where I had trouble.

Neither x or y axis sliders center perfectly..ok so maybe there isn't a perfectly center position but they are always skewed a bit. Close enough to the center. I notice when I move in extreme x or y axis, the other axis always jitters a bit.

I messed with it so much moving the stick in all sorts of directions. At one point the z axis went all the way to the right when I pulled back on the stick. Now this doesn't have a twist axis so z is the break lever. Weird.

Reset the calibration zone and then tried again. Maybe it's the hard springs? I didn't change the cams the warBRD came with. I only put the hard springs on because I knew eventually I would put on my Warthog grip. So it's pretty stiff now with the mt-50 grip but with the warthog grip it feels more right I guess? Probably since warthog grip is metal and heavier it feels more natural to the warthog base but a lot smoother.

So one thing I don't understand and maybe it's causing me issues. The connector pin and cable of the MT 50 grip moves out of the grip. Is it suppose to do that?

I can never get it to stay snug in the warBRD base connector. I see it go in and then I press slowly and start aligning the grip while screwing the collar down. Even after I screw the collar down, I sometimes end up twisting the grip by accident? Is it supposed to twist like that?

How do you know when the connector pin is firmly in the base? It seems when I loosen the collar, the cable and pin come right out of the base.

At one point during my setup all my buttons were going on and off without touching anything. Figured it's the connector, it's probably not staying in. Managed to play with it some more and then I reset my profile, reloaded firmware and did the whole setup again. It was ok after that.

So then I take my warthog grip, it goes right in to the warBRD base perfectly. I can even hear the warthog connector pin fit perfectly snug into the warBRD connector and it stays in there when the collar is not even screwed tight.

Loaded the profile for warthog and all buttons worked, axis sliders during calibration were smooth and seemed to center much more quickly than the MT 50 grip running calibration.

I unscrew the collar of the warthog grip and I see that the pin is still connected as it should be, unlike the pin on the Mt 50 grip. Strange.

So still I'm a bit confused and have quite a bit of questions.

How do you know when the grip is calibrated correctly? Are there certain values I'm looking for? Or are the sliders on the x and y axis of the calibration page enough as visual input?

If they don't perfeftly center after moving the stick in all directions, is it really calibrated or what else must be done?

I put the MT 50 grip back on and ran through the setup process again and started up dcs. I only set bindings for the f18 for now. The smallest inputs move the jet now and its much lighter it feels like, even with the dark springs. Overall banking and pitch took very little effort. I like this but takes getting used to.

Although I can't do a complete spin in either left or right bank without some pitch movement happening when cranking the stick left and right. Just something I need to get used to I suppose.

Flying seems fine but the vpc joy tester shows the axis of x and y going all over the place when I try to rotate the grip clockwise and counter clockwise. It's not very linear and I must move either very slowly up or down or left and right to get the visualization line showing straight movement on the either axis.

The base itself is wonderful, and easy to get into. Putting the springs was tough though and required some yanking. I was afraid I'd accident grab the PCB on the side doing this but I managed to get them on using my fingers and some pliers. I don't even want to try changing cams, afraid I'll mess something up.

Sorry for the long post as it's the first time I'm doing this and was utterly confused about the grip pin connector, was it snug inside the base connector? Is it supposed to come out of the grip? Oh it looks like it's in, but any slight movement it would pop out again. So all of this had me worried that something isn't right.

I found it odd that the warthog grip connection was literally perfect and stayed comepletely in place.

Will need to spend more time with this new toy and maybe some of you can explain some of these things to me because from the little flying I did tonight I definitely 100% enjoyed it more compared to using the crappy plastic warthog gimbal base. So much more precise and smooth and I'm just worried because I don't want to mess anything up as I could not wait to get rid of that TM base.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:37 AM   #186
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Now this doesn't have a twist axis so z is the break lever.
On sticks with twist, the twist axis is usually Rotation Z, not Z. But the name of the axes does not usually matter (except for games which don't let you to re-assign the controls).

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So one thing I don't understand and maybe it's causing me issues. The connector pin and cable of the MT 50 grip moves out of the grip. Is it suppose to do that?
Yes, it's supposed to do that.


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I can never get it to stay snug in the warBRD base connector. I see it go in and then I press slowly and start aligning the grip while screwing the collar down. Even after I screw the collar down, I sometimes end up twisting the grip by accident? Is it supposed to twist like that?
With MongoosT-50 grip, you slightly extract the cable from the grip and first connect the cable from the grip to the base. Only after the cable connector is completely seated in the base connector you screw the grip.


Because the cable/connector is not fixed in the MongoosT-50 grip, you can adjust the grip rotation (position) while tightening it down. For instance, if the joystick is center mounted, you might want to have the grip rotated a few degrees anti clockwise.


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So then I take my warthog grip, it goes right in to the warBRD base perfectly. I can even hear the warthog connector pin fit perfectly snug into the warBRD connector and it stays in there when the collar is not even screwed tight.
Because the Warthog grip has the connector fixed, when using it with the WarBRD base you are supposed to remove the two small screws that hold the base connector in place.


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Flying seems fine but the vpc joy tester shows the axis of x and y going all over the place when I try to rotate the grip clockwise and counter clockwise. It's not very linear and I must move either very slowly up or down or left and right to get the visualization line showing straight movement on the either axis.
Why do you try to twist a grip without twist axis?


Anyway, check if you are not actually moving the grip on X/Y while twisting it. If you are sure you are only twisting it and not also move it around, the X/Y values should not change.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:02 PM   #187
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With MongoosT-50 grip, you slightly extract the cable from the grip and first connect the cable from the grip to the base. Only after the cable connector is completely seated in the base connector you screw the grip.


Because the cable/connector is not fixed in the MongoosT-50 grip, you can adjust the grip rotation (position) while tightening it down. For instance, if the joystick is center mounted, you might want to have the grip rotated a few degrees anti clockwise.


Because the Warthog grip has the connector fixed, when using it with the WarBRD base you are supposed to remove the two small screws that hold the base connector in place.

Thanks for the reply! So for the warthog grip I need to remove the two silver screws that are in the connector of the warBRD base..ok will try that next time.


The issue I have is I pull the cable out of the MT-50 grip and try to connect it to the WarBRD base. Except I never know when the cable connector is firmly seated as it seems to come out with any little movement. It is not snug.


I tried to mess with it some more this morning before work. Except this time I reset my profile, reloaded and saved the warBRD+T50 profile. Then I made sure to click load again. The brake lever is not recognized and on the VPC Joy Tester all the buttons on the grip, in the right most window scroll with the values on, off, on, off,on off, continuously.


It is as if I am pressing all the buttons but I'm not touching anything. I tried different usb ports and same thing. Brake lever is no more recognized in the calibration window and buttons all go on and off in the tester tool.



Is there a way to reset all the software? I don't want to open up the grip at all for now. I also tried pressing reset profile, reset axis, and loaded the profile again from the software folder but nothing changed. I'm hoping to spend more time with it tonight after work and get it working. Really not sure what happened. The warthog grip seemed to be doing fine, didn't exhibit this behavior.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:39 PM   #188
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If the buttons are flashing on/off then the connector isn't seated properly. The shrink wrap might be extending slightly too low and preventing you from pushing it all the way in.

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Old 08-10-2018, 02:35 PM   #189
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If the buttons are flashing on/off then the connector isn't seated properly. The shrink wrap might be extending slightly too low and preventing you from pushing it all the way in.
This is a possibility. I've been having issues with the connector on the MT-50 grip. I didn't see any shrink wrap or plastic around it. It comes out of the grip by a good amount. I can pull it out and use my fingers without issues to attach it to the warBRD base, but it does not stay in securely. Any movement of the grip before screwing the collar down will disconnect the cable.

I'm curious how other people's cable / connector is behaving. I believe it should be snug?
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:30 AM   #190
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Why do you try to twist a grip without twist axis?
He did not say twist, he said rotate. I suspect he means like moving it in circles around the outer range of motion. Like pushing it all the way to "12 o'clock", then doing big circles around the outer limit of the stick.



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