RAZBAM MiG-19

IIRC there are several mods that add chinese conversions to planes like the MiG-21 or the Mi-8. Such conversion mod will fit the MiG-19/J-6 perfectly!

I hope :smilewink:

I will definitely be buying the MiG-19,we just need a F-4 now to get the mix right.

glad to see you guys are doing the -p, in a pinch it'll serve for both the -pm and -s, especially if we get 2x30mm

Really would've prefered the S version, the long nosed ones are butt ugly :-/

So... What missiles will we be getting on the MiG-19p? K-13?

Also... How is the radar gonna help in weapons employment? Can it be used for the gunsight, can it even lock a target?

Thanks is advance for the reply! :D

*EDIT*

R-3s capability confirmed! >:]

However the question still remains... K/R-13/m/m1 (o_o)

1) R-3S

2) Yes, the radar can be used to compute cannons impact point. It was designed to do this under adverse metereological conditions and at night in a pretty peculiar way.

As often in DCS, it's the less interesting variant which is choosen.

I will "vote" so with my wallet.

And what would be the more interesting variant?

S without any radar? PM without any guns?

I do believe P is the best compromise to choose when it comes to MiG-19 variants for DCS.

i accept it's completely subjective, the lack of either gun or radar can make it more interesting in use

im just thankful to get a mig-19 at all.

As often in DCS, it's the less interesting variant which is choosen.

I will "vote" so with my wallet.

It's pretty hard to say something is less interesting, when it is based around an opinion, just my opinion.

Seems like a fine version to choose to me. Some ground attack capability, some missile capability and it has guns. Don't see the issue.

We are developing a P version since an actual P version is on our reach, now if it will get into any other variant, time will tell

1) R-3S

 

2) Yes, the radar can be used to compute cannons impact point. It was designed to do this under adverse metereological conditions and at night in a pretty peculiar way.

Nice! >:]

In a peculiar way... Does it require visual to fire the guns at night (like in the MiG-21bis), or is there a target indicator on the HUD? Talking about the HUD, how does it compare with the MiG-21bis one? And how does the radar display work? Why am I asking so many questions? What is the meaning of life? :blink:

Gonna ask more questions! :P

Soooo... How's the RWR, is there even a RWR?

We are developing a P version since an actual P version is on our reach, now if it will get into any other variant, time will tell

Thanks for the clarification Prowler!

Can we get a mod to change the title of the thread updating the variant so we won't have to answer this question every couple threads when we get near release

I think that the currently planned MiG-19p is the perfect variant. It has a bit of everything, unlike some other variants. So if there isn't any sudden info shortages, or something that would inhibit the development of the aircraft. Please stick to this version! :D

In a peculiar way... Does it require visual to fire the guns at night (like in the MiG-21bis), or is there a target indicator on the HUD? Talking about the HUD, how does it compare with the MiG-21bis one? And how does the radar display work? Why am I asking so many questions? What is the meaning of life? :blink:

I can only answer the meaning of life question... 42? :music_whistling:

There's no need to visually adquire the target, the sight have a target indicator, not the way you may expect, but still one.

P seems to be the most universal version. Based just on a quick lookup (assume it's not complete/fully correct):

- search radar, no lock capability (no SAR missiles). As already mentioned radar has really a limited range and don't expect it to be usefull on low altitudes (brace yourself, bug reports that radar doesn't see a target just in front of the nose are coming :lol: )

- guns: two 23mm NR-23 or two 30mm NR-30 in later upgrade of P. (90 bullets per each?, ~6s of fire ?)

- IR missiles, K-13 - generally a copy of Aim-9 Sidewinder with increased amount of exposives. Inner and outer pylons (max 4 missiles)

- A-G rocket pods - ORO-57K pods in 4, 8 and 16 variants. Carries the S-5 A-G unguided rocket. Seems that 8 rocket variant of the pod was most poular with MiG-19. Were other also used? Mounted on both inner and outer pylons or only on the inner one?

- External drop tanks on outer pylons: 760l (found also information indicating 800l and 1140l drop tanks)

- Bombs?

From other proposed versions like the PM doesn't have canons and is equipped with K-5M anti bomber missile, which doesn't have any no use in dog-fight. S version is not equipped with the radar (nor IR missiles? - guns only).

So with the possibility of there being two calibers of cannon will there be an option to choose one or the other in the rearming menu? Will that aspect be similar to how the INS is with the m2K where it is a server selected option? If it is a rearming option will it load up as would any other rocket or bomb or will there be a considerable time delay similar to how loading fuel works in that it may take 2 or 3 minutes to swap out the cannons? Looking great so far guys I'm really excited to see this baby in the air soon. Also do you have the manual for this guy or any pictures/ info on how the solution for the HUD looks like?

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- search radar, no lock capability

Wrong, it will autolock anything within a 7 degrees cone, 4km in front of the aircraft.(RP-5)

don't expect it to be usefull on low altitudes

It is not. Radar use under 2000mts is almost impossible.

Inner and outer pylons (max 4 missiles)

Only two R-3S missiles can be mounted on outer pylons. Some MiG-19Ps were upgraded with two MiG-19PM like pylons to fire RS-2U, but those are not the subject of our work.

- Bombs?

250kg and under, in the drop tanks pylons.

just build and release this d*mn thing! my wallet/credit card is ready!! :-)

love flying the MiG's!

So with the possibility of there being two calibers of cannon will there be an option to choose one or the other in the rearming menu?

Only early variants used the 23mm cannons. Our MiG-19P is from later series, so only 30mm cannons.

any pictures/ info on how the solution for the HUD looks like?

When the target enters the radar locking range, the sight will show the target mark and the "lock" (3AXBAT) lamp will turn on. A small instrument left of the sight will indicate target range. The target mark needs to be in the center of the rings for correct aiming. When the distance to target is within fire parameters, the "fire" lamp will turn on. The system is designed to engage aircraft in clouds and at night, so no need to visually adquire the target. The sight can range by radar or by optics (like MiG-15).

Only early variants used the 23mm cannons. Our MiG-19P is from later series, so only 30mm cannons.

 

 

 

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When the target enters the radar locking range, the sight will show the target mark and the "lock" (3AXBAT) lamp will turn on. A small instrument left of the sight will indicate target range. The target mark needs to be in the center of the rings for correct aiming. When the distance to target is within fire parameters, the "fire" lamp will turn on. The system is designed to engage aircraft in clouds and at night, so no need to visually adquire the target. The sight can range by radar or by optics (like MiG-15).

Hmm... I wonder why they didn't carry that target indicator over to the MiG-21bis? Was it that they didn't think it was useful since they believed in missiles? When it comes to "why they didn't"s I wonder why didn't they implement the cursor pointing at radar lock for air targets, because they did have it for the ground locks... :huh:

Oh well... Hindsight is 20/20. :D

Wrong, it will autolock anything within a 7 degrees cone, 4km in front of the aircraft.(RP-5)

 

 

 

It is not. Radar use under 2000mts is almost impossible.

 

 

 

Only two R-3S missiles can be mounted on outer pylons. Some MiG-19Ps were upgraded with two MiG-19PM like pylons to fire RS-2U, but those are not the subject of our work.

 

 

 

250kg and under, in the drop tanks pylons.

So a more advanced Russian "Sabre". :)

Sooo... Does the radar consume alcohol like in the MiG-21bis, or is consuming alcohol only the pilots job? If not is there another cooling liquid that runs out? And how fast!? AND CAN YOU TURN THE RADAR TO STANDBY OR ON AS YOU WISH!?!?!?!?