Xeonzz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 New reply from MS Developer https://steamcommunity.com/app/719950/discussions/0/1742229167208813376/?ctp=4 TomMicrosoft Afficher le profilVoir les messages [développeur] 30 janv. à 23h23 Hey all we worked with DCS on the last update and unfortunately it didn't address the issue as we hoped. We're kicking off another round of investigation, but know that this one hasn't fallen off of our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verde Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good news! I really hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Alex Okean Posted February 1, 2019 ED Team Share Posted February 1, 2019 Next investigation round I need volunteers for further investigation There is another version of Visualizer.dll attached for latest Openbeta with Debug tool window for Odyssey workaround . there is slider control for each projection component and three buttons RESET PROJECTION - revert all sliders positions to factory defaults MAKE SYMMETRIC USING LEFT - copy left eye setting to the right eye MAKE SYMMETRIC USING RIGHT - copy right eye setting to the left eye If "MAKE SYMMETRIC" buttons will help you , please post your feedback here 4 rows at the bottom - eye to head projection matrix for each eye. post your screens any feedback is usefull .VisualizerWithOpenVRDebug.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkam Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Great! Will test in a couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13WELT_JankeS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Oh Holy Mother! I just checked the symmetry setting and it works! I'm not sure if it is perfectly aligned but it is 1000 times better. I tried for the left and right eyes and it's okay anyway. Although it seems to me that it looks more comfortable with the symmetry of the left eye. You have to set the symmetry after each uploading the mission - but this does not seem to be a problem at the moment :) Whooohoooo finally, the promils have gone down from the bloodstream and I do not have a double picture like after a booze: D Here are my screenshots before setting the symmetry with the left eye and after: https://1drv.ms/f/s!Al5ZBRu6iKgygxurfdpHtDw4D3tR Edited February 2, 2019 by 13WELT_JankeS i7-8700K, Z370, 32GB DDR4-3000MHz, RTX 2080 Ti, FSSB R3L, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pro pedals, 2x MFD's, Windows 10 Pro, HP Reverb DCS: F-16C, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-15C, AV-8B, M2000C, F-5E, A-10C, AJS-37, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-21bis, MiG-29, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 K-4, SA342, UH-1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tepl Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 MAKE SYMMETRIC USING LEFT is good for me. "Рыцарь онлайна - капризный слепыш" Ryzen 5800x3d, 64Gb ddr4 3600Mhz Cl16, RTX3080 12Gb, Acer Predator XB271HK 2160p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazycanuck2011 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I just tried it, it helps but it seems like its still missing some setting, if you dial in one eye, and than try to dial in the other, you can get somewhat close, but when you takeoff the HMD it feels like your disoriented. This doesnt happen with xplane or any other game I've tried on the hmd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazycanuck2011 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Also a save button or some sort of profile 1 , profile 2, profile 3 settings would be good so we can save and try options rather than having to do the settings every time - much easier for us to debug and help with these ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonzz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Ok both buttons seem to work for me, menu screen seems farer if I make symmetric using right, need to test ingame and further now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonzz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Far far better with symetry, for me it solves maybe 90% of the issue. No totally, because my eyes still adapt a little, I see that the most when I get the headset off I m still crosseyed, enought for it to be annoying. I'll try to modify some values tomorrow, I ll give my eyes a rest for now :D Maybe we just have to adjust the symetry proportionally the factory calibration factors of each headset? BTW the game looks incredible in the o+ comparing to my old vive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrohde Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 BTW the game looks incredible in the o+ comparing to my old vive. Coming from the Rift, it's the same for me. :thumbup: PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkam Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Copy from left to right or vice versa helps but not completely. Experimentally I found that vertical misalignment is gone entirely when I swap top bottom values. L_TOP goet to R_TOP, and R_TOP goes to L_TOP. Same for L_BTM R_BTM. Alex, could you make sliders more precise, so we can enter exact values for swapping? Here is example of my settings. Default No misalignment swapped values: Best 1: Best 2: Edit: It seems that if I swap all left/right values (OUT, IN, TOP, BTM), then it solves misalignment for me completely. Need to experiment more with OUT, IN settings in order to adjust convergence distance of projections. Ability to lock OUT, IN or TOP, BTM sliders would be helpful in order to keep aspect ratio constant. Apparently, you can workaround slider precision issue. You can drag border between left/right settings and enter value you want if you play around with sliders and border position. Edited February 2, 2019 by Sparkam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonzz Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 This method doesn't seem to really work for me but can't be sure as we can only set it 4 by 4. It seems that I get better results in coping left to right and then change R_TOP or L_TOP value slowly till I feel my eyes less adjusting. Still not perfect.. Gonna retry tomorrow ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessfrog Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I think the 'Make Symmetric Using Left' change works better for me on an Odyssey Plus. It seems clearer. I tried to do the swap top/bottom etc values but the sliders make it hard to get them exact. Thanks for your ongoing investigation in all this Alex. ~~~ http://www.mudspike.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 The quick symmetrical is already a relief here, ability to play a bit is gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazycanuck2011 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 The swapping of the left and right eye values per Sparkam's photos definately made things better. There is still something not quite right - but that definately is my go to method right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiumR Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Left or right symmetrical seems to help. Maybe a little better on left but I can't tell. Still seems like something is off. I can't tell if it's just my eyes though. It seems like if I get it super clear up close then things far away are "crosseyed" but if I get things far away right then close things become "crosseyed" but at this point I'm not sure if it's just my eyes. Going to give them a break. As others mentioned the sliders are kind of hard to get just right. Thank you so much for helping with this!!! Thank you thank you thank you!! ASUS ROG G701VI-XS72K 17.3" - i7 7820HK - GTX 1080 8GB - 32 GB 2666mhz - 512 GB SSD - Win10 Pro 64-Bit - T̶r̶a̶c̶k̶I̶R̶5̶ - Samsung Odyssey HMD!! (Amazing!!) - X56 Rhino HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazycanuck2011 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Sparkam's post above Zoso follow Sparkam's post above and swap the values in the left and right sliders... He is on to something there... Not perfect but much better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiumR Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Zoso follow Sparkam's post above and swap the values in the left and right sliders... He is on to something there... Not perfect but much better.... I tired that also.... It's hard to tell. When I start a mission it's default so my eyes adjust to that. Then when I change it my eyes have to re-adjust and I can't tell. I've resorted to pausing the game after an adjustment and focusing on my keyboard.. then putting the hmd back on with my eyes adjusted to real life to see if there is any strain. Letting my eyes rest a bit then I'll try again. Really glad this is being worked on. Me right now... :wacko: ha ha ASUS ROG G701VI-XS72K 17.3" - i7 7820HK - GTX 1080 8GB - 32 GB 2666mhz - 512 GB SSD - Win10 Pro 64-Bit - T̶r̶a̶c̶k̶I̶R̶5̶ - Samsung Odyssey HMD!! (Amazing!!) - X56 Rhino HOTAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazycanuck2011 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Zoso Yeah its pretty hard to wear it for any amount of time let alone complete a mission. Very disappointing just due to the awesomeness these screens provide compared to everything else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadwing Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Can confirm using this tool realigns the image perfectly. However, I need to reset it after every mission (e.g. in menu, then in cockpit, then again back in menu, etc.). I am using the "make symmetric using left" option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkam Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 It seems that if I swap all left/right values (OUT, IN, TOP, BTM), then it solves misalignment for me. Need experiment more with OUT, IN settings in order to adjust convergence distance of projections. Ability to lock OUT, IN or TOP, BTM sliders would be helpful in order to move them at the same time. Apparently, you can workaround slider precision issue. You can drag border between left/right settings and enter value you want if you play around with sliders and border position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeonzz Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 none of the solutions works 100% for me. Tries many things today. Yesterday I found a good setting and I was awesome, I should have recorded it because I just can't find the same sweetspot today ^^. Left based symmetry gives me better results that right concerning the alignment, but everything seems too tiny (scale problem..). So I tried to modify values with this base but could'nt find something perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13WELT_JankeS Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I checked it by setting it like SPARKAM user, that is L_TOP data goet to R_TOP, and R_TOP goes to L_TOP. Same for L_BTM R_BTM and actually is better than using only the symmetry button. I wonder how other applications start up that does not have this problem. As you can see, each Samsung goggle has different factory values. Many users do not even know that in DCS it can have an image shift if this offset is small. I launched fpsVR today - it is perfectly visible in goggles. DCS starts with a very double image, a symmetry button, then a slight correction of the settings and it seems that it is ok. But fpsVR immediately sets everything up and works on every goggles just as - I wonder where this small malicious difference lies. Fortunately, the work on the problem is already so advanced. Thank You very much for your work! i7-8700K, Z370, 32GB DDR4-3000MHz, RTX 2080 Ti, FSSB R3L, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pro pedals, 2x MFD's, Windows 10 Pro, HP Reverb DCS: F-16C, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-15C, AV-8B, M2000C, F-5E, A-10C, AJS-37, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-21bis, MiG-29, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 K-4, SA342, UH-1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strikeeagle345 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Where do you put the DLL's top give this a shot? Strike USLANTCOM.com i7-9700K OC 5GHz| MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON | 32GB DDR4 3200 | GTX 3090 | Samsung SSD | HP Reverb G2 | VIRPIL Alpha | VIRPIL Blackhawk | HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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