K-14 Problem

I set the the correct wingspan, set the correct distance (more or less), hold still for a second... and... my bullets pass the enemies path right more than just a few degrees in lag...

in comparrison to normal boresighted action ( where i hit those bandit ;-)) i go much more in lead to the target...

it seems that the k-14 always computes to few lead in order to hit... because no one mentioned this in the forum, it makes me think that i just do something wrong... but what, THE HELL IS IT...

please help

thx Mop

Just a few guesses: trim, wind, wrong approach for the K-14... Correct wingspan "more or less" - should be 37 for the Mustang, if I remember.

Anyway, I play some IL-2 from time to time still, and the K-14 also isn't accurate there. Maybe it's just a specific way this sight was meant to be used.

Anyway, with sims using realistic ballistics and some historical reading, my assumption would be that it was hard to hit anything with the speed and G-load of the fighters of that time. That's why tracers were used as well.

I haven't had much luck with it either. As to why I haven't posted about it: I think that approximating the range adjustment (which I think is linked to a twist grip throttle on the actual bird) seems quite cumbersome without a twist grip... I'm getting better with time, but it's rare that I'm able to stay glued onto someones six while constantly readjusting to target wingspan accurately.

It's damn tough!

^^^Obviously the above is probably somewhat unique to my skill level (Or lack of skill level :D)

Just a question , are you setting the wingspan to the actual size of aircraft or are you adjusting it to cover the wings as you look at it through the gunsight?

My understanding is pilots and gunners were taught aircraft recognition so they knew exactly what setting to set for what enemy aircraft.

In DCS I guess you'll have to look up wingspan size and make little list for yourself. If it's just P-51 dogfighting well then you should be able to use the same setting all the time?

Edit: best advice someone gave to me is just turn on the fixed and gyro and draw an imaginary line between, squeeze off a few rounds and see if they are going in front or behind, your firing solution should always be along that imaginary line...

To determine the distance or range to a target of known size at an unknown distance this formula can be applied:

Where:

D – distance to target

S – known target size

mil – target size in mil-dots as seen through the sight.

 

D = (S/mil)*1000

 

So, if the enemy P-51 has known size 37 feet

 

and is at 20 mils

 

So distance i

(37/20)* 1000 = 1850 feet away.

My head hurts.:crazy:

My head hurts.:crazy:

Mine too, lol. I have a hard enough time reading the altimeter :smartass:

Interesting formula though, fortunately for me (unless I don't understand the k-14) I won't need it. Set a known wingspan, then adjust the reticle to match the wingspan as you see it from the pit and presto! There's your range. Right?

right

Here is a bit of history of someone who had problems with deflection shooting.

Clive Caldwell was the top WW2 Australian ace. He served first in the desert with P40s.

In his first missions, he just could not shoot down EA due to lack of deflection shooting skills.

Flying back from a sortie, very low, he noticed that his leader had a distinct shadow on the desert floor. He therefore "attacked" the shadow from various angles, noting where the bullets hit the desert relative to the shadow.

The technique became standard training in the Australian Air Force - more effective than shooting at a drogue.

You can try it in DCS:P51. Create a mission where the sun is at an angle (at midday, the shadow is under the leader and mistakes can happen!). Find an area that is flat, and set season to winter as the shadow shows up better on the snow.

I created a winter mission, but the shadow disappear when i get in range.

Ah, but there are no shortages of drones in DCS. :)

Ah, but there are no shortages of drones in DCS. :)

I know, but the sad story is I went furious, and shot the friendly AI down :(:lol:

Nice one mop

I thought it was me as well.

Back to basics then.

That's excellent news, thanks Olgerd / Yo-Yo.

Will look forward to this.

TY

To determine the distance or range to a target of known size at an unknown distance this formula can be applied:

Where:

D – distance to target

S – known target size

mil – target size in mil-dots as seen through the sight.

 

D = (S/mil)*1000

 

So, if the enemy P-51 has known size 37 feet

 

and is at 20 mils

 

So distance is

 

(37/20)* 1000 = 1850 feet away.

Yup,clear as mud :cry:

I tend to agree that 900-1300 feet is the best engagement range: at closer ranges, the target's apparent size is larger, but the gun's convergence means that the shots tend to pass to either side of the target, and as you get closer, you get locked into dead-astern pursuit, where you're firing at the wings edge-on.

My best results are generally 1000-1200 feet (where the guns are all converging in a small area), with a slight deflection (so that I can see some wing plan).

How do you turn it on, make it visible. It does not turn on or become visible at all.

How do you turn it on, make it visible. It does not turn on or become visible at all.

First you need to have the battery on to provide power to the electrical systems (bat disc on the electrical panel). Then to turn on the gunsight: (1) There is a switch in front and to the left of your flight stick, under the magnetos labelled "Guns" - flick the switch to the up position (to "guns, camera & sight"). (2) there is a black knob on the left hand side of the cockpit, above and in front of the throttle lever, labelled "fixed/fixed & gyro/gyro" - click this and cycle between the static sight or K14 sight (or both sights together). Lastly, (3) under that knob there is a switch labelled on/off - this alternates the K14 gyro sight between being fixed and active.

The problem with the wrong sight deflection was fixed. Expect the new K-14 implementation in the release version.

Nearly 2 years have passed since the above Statement has been made... and i have to say that NOTHING HAS BEEN FIXED !!!

still the K-14 calculates not the correct lead... in my opinion you have to add additional lead at about the lenght of the plane you are targetting...

so please fix it... maybe thos has been forgotten...

has anybody realized any difference from that time to now???

Dunno about that, seems pretty accurate to me.

Please post a track of the issue you are seeing, as far as I know the sight works fine now.

Thx for the offer... as soon i´m back from work this evening i´ll do some flights and post the trk.-files afterwards...