Cobra847 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Last week you got a first look at the basics. Here come some of the guts. :) Nicholas Pirnia brings us a fresh perspective on the F-14 FM in its' current state. Happy reading! :pilotfly: http://www.mudspike.com/heatblur-f-14ab-flight-model-insiders-report/ Heatblur Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) Impressive read! It looks like you guys nailed it! Thank you!!! There will be a lot to learn and master...I can't wait!!! Edited September 4, 2017 by =BJM= i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDieing Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Great article! Thanks for this, I'm sure this will be a killer module! ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Nice read! But I'm confused... during the text, F-14B is mentioned several times... isn't an F-14A what we are going to get from HB? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swither Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Nice read! But I'm confused... during the text, F-14B is mentioned several times... isn't an F-14A what we are going to get from HB? Regards Both, but likely only -B at first release, we will then add -A a couple of months later. /Daniel Heatblur Simulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 "When I left flight sims in the late-90s I thought that the genre was dying and figured it was time to move on." Exactly what I did as well: I moved to MMORPGs. I'm quite happy now that I found my way back ;-) Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunf Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Looks like Tomcat will be great fun to fly. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Something tells me there's going to be a lot of people who buy this and then make reviews saying "the Tomcat is nice..but..I'm staying with the Hornet as my main module" Mostly because they'll be too lazy to learn how to fight it well or they will lack to patience..or simply because they don't want to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKBELL Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 That TOMCAT will kill me over and over again...:helpsmilie: There are 2 categories of fighter pilots: those who have performed, and those who someday will perform, a magnificent defensive break turn toward a bug on the canopy. Robert Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajdary Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Nice dream coming true:) Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Tempered Glass, Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero, Intel i7 7700K @ 4.8, Corsair HX 1000i, Nzxt Kraken 62, 32gb DDR4 3000Mhz Corsair Dominator Platinum, Nvme SSD Samsung 960 Evo 1Tb, Asus Strix OC 1080ti, Philips 43" 4K Monitor + 2 x Dell 24" U2414H, Warthog HOTAS, Track IR 5, Obutto R3volution, Buttkicker Gamer 2, MFG Crosswind pedals, Occulus Rift CV1, Windows 10 Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider142 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 After reading the article it would seem like maybe the maneuvers, like the following reported 77 deg AoA in the video, won't be possible? Is anyone on the test team yet been able to pull off maneuvers we know the Tomcat did? What is the maximum G pulled so far? (I'm sure you guys use Tacview or your own internal recording system). Has anyone attempted one of the Cat's famous and very fast 360 deg sea level turns? I'm glad to hear that it will take time to master and that it will feel like the raw analog fighter it is (I'm finally going with the VKB Pro extension to maximize immersion), but I also hope that one day I can maybe pull that 12.2G symmetrical that Hoser Satrapa told us about. Or the 10G break Muczynski pulled over the Med. Or the multiple 8-9G turns we know about. Or after a decent amount of training, feel like Major Farhad of the IRAF when he said “The capability of the F-14A to snap around during the dogfight was unequaled.... After only 100 hours of training, I learned to pitch the nose of my Tomcat up at a 75-degree angle of attack in just over a second, turn around, and acquire the opponent either with Sidewinders or the gun.” Or I could be wrong and some of you Heatblur boys are already hotrodding it and not telling us :joystick: (Video starts at relevant point) https://youtu.be/OeClwAksqOI?t=240 i7-4770K @3.50GHz; EVGA 1070 8GB Superclocked; 16GB Ram; MSI Z97 Gaming; two Samsung 500GB SSD's in RAID; TrackIR; 32" 2560x1440 Samsung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Last week you got a first look at the basics. Here come some of the guts. :) Nicholas Pirnia brings us a fresh perspective on the F-14 FM in its' current state. Happy reading! :pilotfly: http://www.mudspike.com/heatblur-f-14ab-flight-model-insiders-report/ Heatblur Now...now....now....you should not have done that! I was very patient right until this moment......now....now i got the stick itch!!! This better be coming out soon! :disgust::music_whistling::lol: After reading the article it would seem like maybe the maneuvers, like the following reported 77 deg AoA in the video, won't be possible? Is anyone on the test team yet been able to pull off maneuvers we know the Tomcat did? What is the maximum G pulled so far? (I'm sure you guys use Tacview or your own internal recording system). Has anyone attempted one of the Cat's famous and very fast 360 deg sea level turns? I'm glad to hear that it will take time to master and that it will feel like the raw analog fighter it is (I'm finally going with the VKB Pro extension to maximize immersion), but I also hope that one day I can maybe pull that 12.2G symmetrical that Hoser Satrapa told us about. Or the 10G break Muczynski pulled over the Med. Or the multiple 8-9G turns we know about. Or after a decent amount of training, feel like Major Farhad of the IRAF when he said “The capability of the F-14A to snap around during the dogfight was unequaled.... After only 100 hours of training, I learned to pitch the nose of my Tomcat up at a 75-degree angle of attack in just over a second, turn around, and acquire the opponent either with Sidewinders or the gun.” Or I could be wrong and some of you Heatblur boys are already hotrodding it and not telling us :joystick: (Video starts at relevant point) https://youtu.be/OeClwAksqOI?t=240 Heh, pulling 12G in a fighter is easy, making that being any good....that's the issue. Aside from that, take those "75 degrees AoA" inside to context. I can assure you, over the egg, with the right energy and stick/rudder management, you'll peg the AoA meter....... but again, the trick is making worth it in a fight :thumbup: EDIT: take note, there is a great deal of difference between attained and sustained alpha.... Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer37 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Speechless! Specs:Fractal Design Define R5 Black, ASUS ROG Strix Z370-E, Intel Core i5-8600K Coffee Lake @ 5.1 GHz, MSI GeForce GTX 1080ti 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X, Corsair H110i, G.Skill TridentZ 32GB (2x16GB), Samsung 960 Evo M.2 500GB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxic Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 very nice! I am so excited to see what is in store #CHOPPERLIVESMATTER http://www.aircombatgroup.co.uk/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmack Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Great article, thank you! Windows 10 Pro 64, I5 4690k @4.6GHz with CAPTIAN 240EX AOI, Samsung 850 EVO ,G Skill Ripjaws 16G RAM, Nvidia GTX 970 STRIX, MSI Z97 GAMING 5, WD Blue 1TB HDD, Seasonic M12 II EVO psu, Track IR 5, Pro Flight X-55 Rhino H.O.T.A.S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Can't wait to crash and burn in this thing! Great read, thanks for posting. VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Something tells me there's going to be a lot of people who buy this and then make reviews saying "the Tomcat is nice..but..I'm staying with the Hornet as my main module" Mostly because they'll be too lazy to learn how to fight it well or they will lack to patience..or simply because they don't want to deal with it. Perhaps, though the Tomcat's more challenging flight dynamics will be offset by the simpler avionics and the offloading of some tasks onto Jester. That said, the Tomcat is simply older and has more manual processes, pilots who want the newest tools will prefer the Hornet since it has more tech. The other thing is that the Tomcat is so satisfying to fly. Those flight dynamics add some challenge (not a total outlier for DCS), but seriously rewards the pilot who invest some time learning (not a ton of time either). Having to manage things like AOA during a dogfight is important in every aircraft. The F-15C doesn't perform well for long at high AOA either, but that aircraft gives audible warnings when the AOA is excessive while the Tomcat starts to mis-behave (unless you are wings level). The only tasks that is notably harder than other aircraft in DCS (imho) is landing, especially carrier traps. Doing that well will take real practice and will probably be a perishable skill if you take a long break from it. It feels amazing when you get the hang of it! In the end, those who love operating systems will prefer the Hornet while those who like to fly will probably get more out of the Tomcat. After reading the article it would seem like maybe the maneuvers, like the following reported 77 deg AoA in the video, won't be possible? Is anyone on the test team yet been able to pull off maneuvers we know the Tomcat did? What is the maximum G pulled so far? (I'm sure you guys use Tacview or your own internal recording system). Has anyone attempted one of the Cat's famous and very fast 360 deg sea level turns? Transient AOA in the FM can be very high. With wings level, I have seen AOA exceed 50 degrees for short periods (eyeballing it in-cockpit or the F2/F3 view). Might be able to reach the 70s if I found the right combination of speed and control inputs (and desire). Its not that high AOA is unattainable, more that you don't want it since the airframe performs so well at lower AOA and banked high AOA causes some control difficulties with yaw and wing drop. Not to mention the fact that you need energy to maneuver and that high AOA costs a lot of energy. In the end, those moves feel like a stunt, not a solution to a problem imho. I have also done things like tail slides and rudder reversals, the edge of the envelope seems to be very well-modeled and dynamic. I'm glad to hear that it will take time to master and that it will feel like the raw analog fighter it is (I'm finally going with the VKB Pro extension to maximize immersion), but I also hope that one day I can maybe pull that 12.2G symmetrical that Hoser Satrapa told us about. Or the 10G break Muczynski pulled over the Med. Or the multiple 8-9G turns we know about. Or after a decent amount of training, feel like Major Farhad of the IRAF when he said “The capability of the F-14A to snap around during the dogfight was unequaled.... After only 100 hours of training, I learned to pitch the nose of my Tomcat up at a 75-degree angle of attack in just over a second, turn around, and acquire the opponent either with Sidewinders or the gun.” At speeds above ~425-450 KIAS you can pull a lot of Gs, leading to rapid blackouts. I have not monitored the exact G limits, but 10 G is attainable. I'm pretty sure that 8 G is do-able at speeds above 350 KIAS or so (but I would have to go back and check). As far as the Iranian description, not sure about that. You can really get the nose moving, especially with wings level, but also getting a reasonable gun or sidewinder solution - not so sure about that. Maybe I just haven't tried hard enough. :) -Nick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think I'm going to have to finally invest in some pedals. The twist on the stick sounds as if it just isn't going to cut it for the Tomcat. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 What a tease! The HB F-14 is promising to be the most exceptional module ever created. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Both, but likely only -B at first release, we will then add -A a couple of months later. Great! Kind of like the temperament of TF-30 engines, so getting the -A eventually are definitively good news. Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonist Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think I'm going to have to finally invest in some pedals. The twist on the stick sounds as if it just isn't going to cut it for the Tomcat. im on the same. I7 7700k - Msi Z270 Gaming+ GTX 1070ti 16gb @2400 2x Samsung 850EVO 250/500 - 1x HDD 1TB SAITEK-MAD CATZ CYBORG FLY 5 STICK WIN 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunaticfringe Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 If you want the legitimate Tomcat experience, grind the heels off your flight boots, whether your pedals put them on the floor or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostrider142 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Thanks for the response BlackLion, I am really looking forward to getting to know all the Cat's sweet and sour spots. Buzzles, shonist, when I first started, I played for the first month with twist rudder, then I bought Saitek pedals and added curve and deadzone to my stick, whole new game, the planes came to life. i7-4770K @3.50GHz; EVGA 1070 8GB Superclocked; 16GB Ram; MSI Z97 Gaming; two Samsung 500GB SSD's in RAID; TrackIR; 32" 2560x1440 Samsung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireNZ Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Tomcat sounds like is it going to be an amazing module! I just really hope, for Heatblurs sake more than anything, that ED are able to lift the base DCS platform up to a commensurate standard with 2.5. Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha| i7-6700K @ 4.60GHz | nVidia GTX 1080ti Strix OC 11GB @ 2075MHz| 16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz DDR4 CL14 | Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2 SSD | Corsair Force LE 480GB SSD | Windows 10 64-Bit | TM Warthog with FSSB R3 Lighting Base | VKB Gunfighter Pro + MCG | TM MFD's | Oculus Rift S | Jetseat FSE [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) @Cobra: Is any kind of FFB support planned for the Tomcat? I understand that the CAS is much simpler than in the F15C, Im just wandering if any of its quirks will be implemented (from a FFB perspective)? Edited September 6, 2017 by OnlyforDCS grammar Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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