flare2000x Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Hi there. This tread probably won't get much attention knowing that everyone is caught up in the July updates, but I'd like to know which aircraft you would rather fly in combat, the Fw. 190 D-9, or the Bf. 109 K-4. What do you like and dislike about each aircraft, and why? flare PS: this may or may not influence my rewards selection!:) Edited July 9, 2014 by flare2000x [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] DCS:WWII 1944 BACKER --- Fw. 190D-9 --- Bf. 109K-4 --- P-51D --- Spitfire! Specs: Intel i7-3770 @3.9 Ghz - NVidia GTX 960 - 8GB RAM - OCz Vertex 240GB SSD - Toshiba 1TB HDD - Corsair CX 600M Power Supply - MSI B75MA-P45 MoBo - Defender Cobra M5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The 109! MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptre Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 What would we be flying it against? If it's a Mustang: 190 has better visibility, but 109 I would rather fly because the K-4 is a late model plane and has much better turn rate than the mustang RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 109k4 for me. Just not a d9 fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintifaxl Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I hate the Mk-108 30mm slow firing cannon of the K4, so it's the Dora for me. Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krupi Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 D9 with MW50 any day of the week... Windows 10 Pro | ASUS RANGER VIII | i5 6600K @ 4.6GHz| MSI RTX 2060 SUPER | 32GB RAM | Corsair H100i | Corsair Carbide 540 | HP Reverb G2 | MFG crosswind Pedals | Custom Spitfire Cockpit Project IX Cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saburo_cz Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fw is more suitable for me. So, I choose D9 :). F-15E | F-14A/B P-51D | P-47D | Mosquito FB Mk VI |Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM77 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 FW 190 will be used 80% of the time I will get both because the 109 model looks so sweet from what I have seen. Intel i5 7600K @ 4.2GHz | 32GB G.Skill Trident RGB DDR4 @ 3200MHz | MSI RTX 4060 Gaming X 8G | WD Black NVMe 2TB | Sound Blaster Audigy RX | MSI Z270 Gaming M3 | Corsair H80i v2 | Corsair RM750x | Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS Flight Pack | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Home 64-bit | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Very hard decision, but i have to say K4. I love Doras too but 109 have always been "my plane". CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondaysoff Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's the 109 for me, the only one I knew when I was a kid. Modules NOT currently in my hanger Yak 52/F-14 Tomcat/CE II/Mig-19/I-16/FW-A-8/JF-17/Supercarrier My system: MSI Z97 Gaming 5 mobo 3.5 GHz Intel Core i5 4690k H100i CPU Cooler 16 GB 1866 MHz DDR3 Hyper X Fury Red MSI GTX980ti GPU EVGA 850W PSU Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD 128gb Plextor M.2 storage (Boot Drive) Windows 10 X64 Professional Acer XB281HK G-sync monitor Trackir 5 MFG Crosswind pedals T M Warthog Hotas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iberian Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'll try both first to have a more solid background to asnwer from, and then I'll come back to answer this. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.ZG15_FALKE Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The Würger!:pilotfly: Boom ´n zoom, better / more reliable cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwd2 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 both Playing: F-16C Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 109 K : Pros - Turns better at most speeds - Pretty crazy top speed - Very good climb rate - Not sure, but I believe Me retains energy better than Fw - Quite resistant to departures and relatively easy to correct when departs from controlled flight - Decent for both angles or energy tactics Cons - Controllability suffers at higher speeds, conrols become very heavy and lose authority - I have nightmares landing and taking off with P-51, I can only imagine the horror they'd present in a Bf-109 :) - A bit bad cockpit visibility, especially backwards visibility is rather poor 190 D : Pros - Better roll rate - Overall better armament (a bit arguable though) - Better visibility Cons - Doesn't like low speeds - As far as I know, more prone to departures and departures themselves can be more violent thanm ost other aircraft - Slightly lower top level speed at most altitudes than either 109K or P-51 Don't know which one is better in acceleration, it would be more important than maximum level speed in my opinion. As for armament, I believe K Messerschmitts had 30mm motorkanone, which is very powerful but, has a low muzzle velocity, and not a very flat trajectory, and a bit lower than average rate of fire. So it doesn't sound ideal for fighter vs fighter type of air combat. May be if 20mm motorkanone is also an option, it could be better for dogfights, even if it's shell is quite weaker. I always liked 109's armament is all centered, instead of spread all over the place on aircraft. Dora's guns also are more or less centered but not as much as with 109. Guess we'll just have to wait and see which armament setup will perform better :) Love them both, got 190 already, but it is inconceivable for me to not get a 109 when it's available, that goes for any 109 version, yes even a Buchon :D Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptre Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The nose guns in fighters were a great idea. Less drag and more accurate at close range! 1 RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo989 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 109 all the way. I was pretty decent with it in IL-2 online, but never could fly the 190 well enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 190... and I just equalised the Poll... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) 190... and I just equalised the Poll... i dont know yet, i wanna try both (and all) but i think because of the better turn rate i will choose the Messer (and the Spit on the other side :P) by the way: im not sure but is there no MW-50 on the 109K4 ? :dunno: Edited July 10, 2014 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfreddie Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Dora if you're only choosing one right now. We know it will be coming out in one month and who really knows when the 109 will really ship. Realistically both of these frames we're at the far end of their lifespan with increasingly better planes on both fronts when they entered production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDWULF Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Doras elevator authority at high speed, high altitude performance, weight of fire, spacious tie fighter cockpit and good all around view. Since in simulated/real combat I would only be doing BnZ and that's for my own survivability. The FW-190 D9 is a very purposeful and locked in design. It was designed for the high speed pass... Turning and burning your energy away in combat is certain death. Stay high, stay fast. Edited July 11, 2014 by SIDWULF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wichid Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 BF109 purely on the looks! 1 Lyndiman AMD Ryzen 3600 / RTX 2070 Super / 32G Ram / Win10 / TrackIR 5 Pro / Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDWULF Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Oh and I forgot...the dora is purdier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARStarkey Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 the 109 is a piece of garbage. All hail the 190. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siipperi Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Silly thread... Me 262 ofc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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