How Complete is this module

Just like the topic states. How complete is the harrier? I have the mirage and I like but I am looking for a better plane to do ground pounding with. So I am debating between this and the a10c. I know that a10c is the most complete model for the high fidelity planes so if I bought I know that everything will work. But looking through the forums here it seems that the harrier still has lots of issues. Do you think the harrier will be complete in six months? Thank you for your time.

In terms of 3D graphics and textures, RAZBAM has done a wonderful job. From my point of view the Harrier is one of the most successful modules.

For the avionics , the result is far from being as good.

Each new system produced by RAZBAM comes out bugged and many uncorrected bugs remain for months or even years.

If you are looking for a module to exploit only the surface, it is a good module but if on the contrary you want an airplane with normal DCS standards run way, the Harrier is far from being complete or properly functional.

Razbam had planned to finish the Harrier in 2019 but they are still far from it and with all the new developments announced, I have doubts about their ability to complete this module quickly.

Do yourself a favor and avoid this module. As kerosene said, it is quite good in the beginning, but as soon as you dive deeper, it gets frustrating. Plus how the developer handles bugs including communication is a slap in the face.

Everything those two guys said above me.

Avoid this module, you will only get angry and dissapointed.

Better stick to the A10c, the JF-17 or F/A-18. Depends on what you wanna do in detail.

Thanks guys for the info that is all I needed to know.

Nonsense. The module is a blast and you can accomplish whatever CAS mission desired.

Nonsense. The module is a blast and you can accomplish whatever CAS mission desired.

Can you define what "a blast" mean? That's very subjective.

Is it a blast because you have fun regardless of the bugs?

Is it a blast because you don't care about systems working in the wrong way and you just like it as long as you can drop bombs in whatever way?

The OP is deciding between the A-10C and the Harrier, so what exactly makes the harrier "a blast" compared to the fully functional and nearly 100% accurate A-10C?

Fun and accuracy/completeness are two entirely different things.

Fun is subjective, completeness and accuracy are objective. Offer some obective facts about the Harrier, and let the poor guy decide for himself if it's "a blast" for him, or not.

Nonsense. The module is a blast and you can accomplish whatever CAS mission desired.

Auto boming on moving targets or windy conditions. Can you do that one?

Accept CAS target through JTAC data link transmission? The A10 can do that. What about the Harrier?

Despite this I do enjoy flying the Harrier. The JDAMS implementation is probably the most accurate in handling single pass, multi target scenarios, though I suspect the Hornet won't be far behind in this regard.

It does some things really well wrt the real airctaft, some poorly and yet more not at all. Up to Op how annoying you'd find that.

OP, what do you prioritize in a module? If you could sum it up in a word, what would it be?

Sorry guys It was not my intention to make such a loaded question. I bought both the a10c and the harrier. Thank you all for your input.

''Bought both''

Lol, that's the spirit! You'll do fine here. You won't have any money, but you'll do fine lol

Sorry guys It was not my intention to make such a loaded question. I bought both the a10c and the harrier. Thank you all for your input.

Its not your fault in any kind.

Just every discussion about Razbam modules ends like that.

''Bought both''

Lol, that's the spirit! You'll do fine here. You won't have any money, but you'll do fine lol

LOL. Yup, basically what I did. I own both. I do wish I had a better idea of what was/wasn't implemented when I bought the Harrier and especially the Mirage, but there you go.

Bought both? Good for you! I’m sure you’ll enjoy them and have a blast too. At the end of the day, we’re pretend pilots flying fake planes to have fun. If any module does that for you, than it’s money well spent.

Accept CAS target through JTAC data link transmission? The A10 can do that. What about the Harrier?

The JTAC and datalinks are one of the most overrated and hyped features there are.

For a CAS, pilot requires three things only.

1) A map to understand the terrain

2) A radio to contact troops on the ground

3) A visual cue where own troops are, or where the enemy are.

That is why ground troops does posses such things as colored smoke grenades. You pop those to explained positions and you talk over the radio to the pilot that what is their situation. The CAS pilot does spend their most of the time looking outside, observing the terrain and the overall situation and they work with communication to the troops, not to one JTAC guy on the ground.

Where the JTAC is required, is when you actually need them to designate the target via laser.

But the most important thing really is the radio and the map, and understanding how to talk with the people on the ground. And that is the basic training of the every infantry in modern army, that everyone know how to use radios and how to explain things over radio.

That makes every single soldier on the ground capable to guide any fire support from pilots, artillery, MBT platoons etc of location of them or/and enemy.

There is no requirement for fancy systems on the aircraft, lasers etc to get effective support.

The JTAC and datalinks are one of the most overrated and hyped features there are.

 

For a CAS, pilot requires three things only.

 

1) A map to understand the terrain

2) A radio to contact troops on the ground

3) A visual cue where own troops are, or where the enemy are.

 

That is why ground troops does posses such things as colored smoke grenades. You pop those to explained positions and you talk over the radio to the pilot that what is their situation. The CAS pilot does spend their most of the time looking outside, observing the terrain and the overall situation and they work with communication to the troops, not to one JTAC guy on the ground.

 

Where the JTAC is required, is when you actually need them to designate the target via laser.

 

But the most important thing really is the radio and the map, and understanding how to talk with the people on the ground. And that is the basic training of the every infantry in modern army, that everyone know how to use radios and how to explain things over radio.

 

That makes every single soldier on the ground capable to guide any fire support from pilots, artillery, MBT platoons etc of location of them or/and enemy.

 

There is no requirement for fancy systems on the aircraft, lasers etc to get effective support.

So you think breaking every USMC procedure and standard and not accurately modeling real life, actually used systems is a good idea because you think they're too "fancy" and you don't "need" them. This is subjective language arguing against objective reality.

This is a slap in the face to the FAC guys. Calling in air support well takes special training. This is like saying they shouldn't have combat medics because every soldier should know some first aid.

Modern equipment and tactics (like the CAS package in the Harrier) greatly reduce fratricide, increase response times, and can reduce needed station times.

Also, not sure how a feature that exists in the real aircraft being modeled in a mil-sim is "over hyped". All major mission types should be modeled accurately because that is what DCS is all about. Your personal preferences should never be considered, only true to life accuracy. If you want to just use your eyes and maybe some radio, try a different aircraft. I know you're an eastern bloc guy, I honestly don't know how they do things, but this is how it's done in the USMC and so that's what it should be like in DCS Harrier.

The JTAC and datalinks are one of the most overrated and hyped features there are.

 

For a CAS, pilot requires three things only. . . .

LOL ok Rambo