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As I said a few times in the past, I'll hold until multiplayable positions have been implemented. Until then no multiseat aircraft, Its kinda a big deal for me as I solely play multiplayer. However Mi-8 may get special consideration -

 

Is the fixed weapon positions completely controlled by the pilot or does the co-pilot have a part in with the main armament ? (In a real world situation)

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Do any multiplayer missions have a use for a non-combat aircraft yet ? Example: any interaction to ground troops been implemented yet or logistic type missions ? Been out of the game for a bit so I'm amiss with the upkeep of dev information.

 

There are some that use the Huey as troop transport and CAS role, but transporting troops is somewhat 'clunky' as it is not yet a true feature of DCSW

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Can't wait who's with me on buying on the day its released?

 

No matter of "Happy hour" promotions, when i want to buy i buy, and generaly "realease day" is a good time for me to buy :doh: I know i'm crazy, but i work hard enough to not delay my pleasure and support guys who give me pleasure... :thumbup:

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Do any multiplayer missions have a use for a non-combat aircraft yet ? Example: any interaction to ground troops been implemented yet or logistic type missions ? Been out of the game for a bit so I'm amiss with the upkeep of dev information.

Yes, there are some missions using cool LUA scripts (MIST2.0 etc.) to create highly dynamic CSAR and Troop insertion/extraction and Helicopter CAS...

 

Look for "The Helicopter War" or "Tootall GA and SAR flights"

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Have Ka-50 and the Huey, not interested in any more helicopters unless its a Cobra or Apache.


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I'll be buying on release day. I want to support the people who create such fantastic products. If everyone were to wait till the sales do you think companies will keep making the software we all so desire. I know everyone's circumstances differ, which is cool.

I also love the beta release strategy, especially when the quality is still very high. For the people complaining about the betas, then don't buy them. My head would explode if I was still waiting for the Huey to be released. I'm instead enjoying this fantastic sim right now.

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Have KA-50 and the Huey, not interested in any more helicopters unless its a Cobra or Apache.

 

While I am with you in wanting a Cobra or Apache, I am a huge helicopter fan and will buy every rotary wing that ED or 3rd parties can throw in my direction!

 

Bring on the MI-8... And the Cobra and the Apache, and the Tiger, the Lakota the.... the...

 

Whew.. I need to sit down, I think...

 

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And please DCS, for god sakes !

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/IAF_Mi-8.JPEG

 

Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

 

Please don't make the same mistake like the Huey, where it is ridiculously canted backward instead of forward... No helicopters on earth have their rotor canted backward like this, at worst it is straight, but never back ...

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/SA_330_Puma_helicopters_after_completing_a_mission_during_Operation_Desert_Shield.JPEG

 

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/icholakov/icholakov1008/icholakov100800030/7504290-us-navy-helicopter-stopever-on-the-ground.jpg

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w1Te9kELSl8/ScQPtWIfidI/AAAAAAAACnM/R8_3njKL84A/s400/S-92.jpg

 

This to ensure enough clearance with tail rotor and tail boom... and offer a not too " nose down " attitude while in cruise flight

 

And I still keep hopes for the final Huey version that you move the rotor mast some degrees forward ( actually, it is straight vertical in real life, not backward... and no, it is not due to the skids dampening on ground ... )

 

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And please DCS, for god sakes !

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/IAF_Mi-8.JPEG

 

Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

 

Please don't make the same mistake like the Huey, where it is ridiculously canted backward instead of forward... No helicopters on earth have their rotor canted backward like this, at worst it is straight, but never back ...

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/SA_330_Puma_helicopters_after_completing_a_mission_during_Operation_Desert_Shield.JPEG

 

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/icholakov/icholakov1008/icholakov100800030/7504290-us-navy-helicopter-stopever-on-the-ground.jpg

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w1Te9kELSl8/ScQPtWIfidI/AAAAAAAACnM/R8_3njKL84A/s400/S-92.jpg

 

This to ensure enough clearance with tail rotor and tail boom... and offer a not too " nose down " attitude while in cruise flight

 

And I still keep hopes for the final Huey version that you move the rotor mast some degrees forward ( actually, it is straight vertical in real life, not backward... and no, it is not due to the skids dampening on ground ... )

 

Thanks !

 

You are aware that all of the photos were of helos taxiing, right?

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...Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

Are you a helicopter pilot in real life? If so, and you know how rotor disc suppose to be, then it's OK.

 

Or, these photos seem normal to me, as Rammit said, they are taxiing.

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Please, not again this stuff.

 

Yes, a main rotor mast is tilted forward on pretty much any helicopter.

Though when the helicopter is on the ground, rotor stopped or turning.

Things may look different.

 

Please just keep in mind that the rotor mast is tilted forward in relation to the helicopters waterline.

Which itself may well be titled backward when the helicopter is standing on the ground.

 

No way of knowing without consulting the manual.

 

And agree whit Alpha 1 6 here, controls are only at neutral whit rigging pins in.

And even then there can be exemptions.

 

Besides that, controls "neutral" could very well result in an control input, its just an reference from the manufacturer for when work is done on the flight control system.

And as such, is unique to every helicopter.

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Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

 

Please don't make the same mistake like the Huey, where it is ridiculously canted backward instead of forward... No helicopters on earth have their rotor canted backward like this, at worst it is straight, but never back ...

 

*cough*

 

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Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

 

Please don't make the same mistake like the Huey, where it is ridiculously canted backward instead of forward... No helicopters on earth have their rotor canted backward like this, at worst it is straight, but never back ...

Don't confuse the rotor shaft being angled forward for forward cyclic input. The UH60 has a 3 degree forward tilt to the shaft/head, Most helicopters have something similar. Additionally, while in ground taxi forward cyclic is applied which causes the blades to raise in the back and lower in the front.

 

The UH1 has a semi-rigid rotor system that allows the blades to "sea-saw", there is nothing wrong with the helicopter in the sim.

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Ok, will try to answer each posts

 

Are you a helicopter pilot in real life? If so, and you know how rotor disc suppose to be, then it's OK.

 

Or, these photos seem normal to me, as Rammit said, they are taxiing.

 

No, I am not yet, but will attempt army heli pilot selection soon, already PPL(A) and learning on helicopters for years, have already two logged hours on R44 and Bell 47. I obviously see that Mil is taxiing. You can spend time to find any pictures on the web etc, of the plane shut down, and you will notice the main mast has some forward degrees orientation, this is how helicopter are built in real world, that's all

 

Are you a helicopter pilot in real life? If so, and you know how rotor disc suppose to be, then it's OK.

 

Or, these photos seem normal to me, as Rammit said, they are taxiing.

 

*cough*

 

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This is absolutely inaccurate, as the Huey rotorhead is a semi-rigid see/saw type, meaning there is a bearing in the hub that allow the whole hub/spindle shafts/blade grips assembly to freely rotate around that bearing, from around +10°/-10°!... this also explaining the possibility of mast bumping.

 

As you may see, all these Hueys are grounded, the rotor is put in almost it's rearmost position for the ground crew can " lock " the rotor ( tie the blade down ) to avoid them to flap with wind and such and so damage the mast ( like a " light " mast bumping ). Some operators also tie them in the forward position, it is just a matter of choice :

 

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Ok so this has nothing to do, the rotor mast could be tilted 5° backward and you also could be able to place the rotor in that forward position.

Please, not again this stuff.

 

Yes, a main rotor mast is tilted forward on pretty much any helicopter.

Though when the helicopter is on the ground, rotor stopped or turning.

Things may look different.

 

Please just keep in mind that the rotor mast is tilted forward in relation to the helicopters waterline.

Which itself may well be titled backward when the helicopter is standing on the ground.

 

No way of knowing without consulting the manual.

 

And agree whit Alpha 1 6 here, controls are only at neutral whit rigging pins in.

And even then there can be exemptions.

 

Besides that, controls "neutral" could very well result in an control input, its just an reference from the manufacturer for when work is done on the flight control system.

And as such, is unique to every helicopter.

 

It isn't written in the manual, just because the main mast got an absolute Zero vertical orientation, perfectly perpendicular to the Helicopter 0° pitch attitude.

 

You still disagree ?

 

Okay, here is a picture I myself took in a 205 here in south France, flying for the Pompiers du Var ...

 

snpt.jpg

 

If you can't see that the rotor mast isn't 90° to the helicopter lines ( based on the skids ), well, then there is a problem. And no, it is not because the high skids configuration, they are exactly the same orientation as the low skid ones.

 

Now, look how things are in actual DCS model :

 

ch6b.jpg

 

 

And even in the 3-view of their model, it not hidden at all that main mast is some degrees backward, and so cyclic at neutral produce a small back rotor disc tilting...

 

p76x.jpg

 

 

I have hard times understanding while all of you nice guys don't want to accept the real mast isn't straight ! I'm the first to say Belsimtek module is really a masterpiece of computer engineering, modeling, coding and texturing ! But saying all is perfect because you are so happy to be able to make a hover on their hard heli isn't a reason for saying it is perfect, this is UN-professional behavior and this sim ( DCS ) should considered as a professional tool now, not a Level D sim but much more than FSX games etc, the degree of realism in flight dynamics helped me alot when I got my hands on a real machine, as well as X-Plane advanced flight dynamics.

 

We paid 50 USD for the Beta, I think I am in the right to ask that to be FIXED for final, as well as you guys ask for the starter button and shutdown procedures to be done correctly, others ask for Radar alt, more weapon choice, Slick versions etc etc ...

 

Here, I'm criticizing a graphical thing, that shouldn't be hard to change for the final version, but I just don't understand why you still saying this is UN-true as I brought you all the proofs possible

 

 

OKAY , now I consider the matter closed regarding the Huey, if they don't want to correct that flaw, this is their problem but don't tell me please that what I'm saying is false. While I strongly hope they will fix that problem for final, as for a paid Beta, they should be listening a lot the customer feedback..

 

I just made the post to ask them not to do the same error in their upcoming M-8... no helicopters have their rotor discs canted backward just around neutral cyclic...

 

And now, this is how the Mi-8 rotor disc should look on ground, perfectly neutral ( rotor disc parallel to ground, not backward nor forward )

 

2c88.jpg

 

 

And in a slight forward cyclic input for taxiing

 

n1kv.jpg

 

 

Thanks for having reading me,

Hueyman


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And please DCS, for god sakes !

 

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Notice the rotor disc, at neutral cyclic input is canted forward a little bit !!!

 

Thanks !

the slope of the main rotor disc at the taxi and cyclic neutral (see screens).

 

...And I'm totally agree with

Yes, a main rotor mast is tilted forward on pretty much any helicopter.

Though when the helicopter is on the ground, rotor stopped or turning.

Things may look different.

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And agree whit Alpha 1 6 here, controls are only at neutral whit rigging pins in.

And even then there can be exemptions.

 

Besides that, controls "neutral" could very well result in an control input, its just an reference from the manufacturer for when work is done on the flight control system.

And as such, is unique to every helicopter.

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