Rammit Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 WE GOT SOME SCREENS, REJOICE!!!! :D "If the MWS didn't see it, it didn't happen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WHIT THE HUEY MODEL INGAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do we need to spell it out for you? As long as you keep drawing reference lines to the wrong parts of the helicopter, you will get very varying results for the angle of the rotor shaft. First thing you would need to do know is find an UH-1H Maintenance Manual and look for ATA chapter 6 "Dimensions and Areas". As well as the figures regarding to water, buttock and station lines. When done come back and say you were wrong, cause basically that's what the official manual is going to tell you. And yes, Rammit is right. We should thank you for bringing this (no existent) issue up, cause now we got some new MI-8 screenshots. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 PilotMi8 What's the key combination for putting the cyclic rigging pins in?:D ***EDIT*** oops, double post, hit the wrong button. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Good boy ;-) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) After reading Hueyman`s complain and have a look by myself, at least I know what he is talking about. I absolutely don`t know if this have any relevance on flight dynamic calculations and what not, though I got his point. I put this drawing from the Huey TM 55-1520-210-10 manual over the same drawing from the DCS Huey manual and shift it slightly forward. Look at the rotormast only. There are for sure differences in the types of Huey and I do not know if that matters, though I understand what Hueyman is talking about...and thats all I want to say for now.;) Edited August 28, 2013 by EagleEye Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Thanks, at least someone unbiased and with common sense ! It is so obvious I don't understand Falcon is stuck in his blind opinion ... And I won't write all differences there is on the model as this would be pointless, and also, blueprints stay blueprints and are never 100% accurate ( I know what I'm talking about ). For sure there were several Huey model, but none of them got their rotor mast backward like this BELSIMTEK, please correct that once for all. But it really bothers me as all I said if off-topic, which is originally about the Mi-8... I just asked for this not to happen with their new helo, and people rushed against me, this is why I had to make this long post ... Now with EagleEye's pict, it is even more obvious. So please stop to say that the Huey model good regarding that particular point ( rotor mast ) as it is not ... It is like if A-10 wing dihedral wasn't spot on... everyone would have screamed ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MadCat- Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Ignoring the fact this is the MI-8 thread: Hueyman"s concerns are sound. Did anyone have a look at the rotor disk yet during slow taxi ? A little hint, the helicopter is not moving sideways :D I set trim for 17-18 km/h forward flight and then left collective and cyclic alone, steering only with rudder around the airfield (no wind btw). If some people still think I was decelerating in that screenshot, I will post the track too. Now, who volunteers to explain to us that everything is fine with the disk in this screen and the total thrust vector is in fact pointing backwards ?! Greetings MadCat Edited August 28, 2013 by -=MadCat=- Link -> Stateful button commands for many DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Falcon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Yes, in the pic you see different orientation of the mast. But also different orientation of the fuselage...... By more or less similar amount. ***EDIT*** got a link to that pic? Ignoring the fact this is the MI-8 thread: Hueyman"s concerns are sound. Did anyone have a look at the rotor yet during slow taxi ? A little hint, the helicopter is not moving sideways I set trim for 17-18 km/h forward flight and then left collective and cyclic alone, steering only with rudder around the airfield (no wind btw). If some people still think I was decelerating in that screenshot, I will post the track too. Now, who volunteers to explain to us that everything is fine with the disk in this screen and the total thrust vector is in fact pointing backwards ?! Greetings MadCat Regardless though, rotor disk orientation and rotormast orientation in relation to the fuselage have nothing to do whit each other. Meaning, one is not dependent on the other. Edited August 28, 2013 by 159th_Falcon [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Okay YoYo, sorry for having changing the thread orientation, now, the discussion continues here : http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1850952#post1850952 I'm all available to get that sorted out with you guy Thanks [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team PilotMi8 Posted August 28, 2013 ED Team Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) THAT is correct ! Will we see this in the final Huey too ? For example: the parking angle of the Mi-8 is 4 .. 6 degrees up regarding the horizontal. A tilt main rotor axis is 4 degrees 30minutes regarding the fuselage waterline. So, it may be a situation in which the axis of the rotor is tilted backward, not forward to the regarding absolute vertical line, and it will not be wrong. PS If angle mast our Huey is wrong - we'll fix this inaccuracy:) Edited August 28, 2013 by PilotMi8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 PS If angle mast our Huey is wrong - we'll fix this inaccuracy:) GREAT ! That is what I dreamed to hear all day long ;-) And thanks for the examples PilotMi8 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 From ED russian forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MadCat- Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 OMG... That mirror is beyond cool :thumbup: May we hope to see mirrors on the slick Huey too ? Greetings MadCat Link -> Stateful button commands for many DCS modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 That smells release within 5 months for sure hehe ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPL(A)IR ME/SEP/MEP/SET - CPL(H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elchacal Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 WOW! Those pics look great! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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