Soviet Made Vietnam Era Mig-21 shoot down modern Fighters

The Indian MiGs aren't ''Vietnam era'' though. The original design of base airframe dates from before then, for one, but the ones still flying today are vastly upgraded. The 21's biggest shortcoming in modern times is the way it was designed around a nose intake doesn't leave much room for radar. The plane itself is quite good, it just doesn't have room for all the avionics typical of more modern aircraft.

Lastly, there are many factors that go into deciding who kills who. If things are 'all even' then it goes toward the better plane, but in combat things are rarely 'all even', so the possibility that circumstances could enable a legacy fighter to kill a newer gen one is not that hard to imagine.

A P-51 could shoot down a F-22 if the stars aligned just right, say they were both on the deck and the P-51 came around a hill right behind him as he flew by and got a snap shot off at him. Extremely unlikely, but it IS possible.

A P-51 could shoot down a F-22 if the stars aligned just right, say they were both on the deck and the P-51 came around a hill right behind him as he flew by and got a snap shot off at him. Extremely unlikely, but it IS possible.

The Indian MiG-21 Airframe design is almost the same when we talk about the original concept. So yes it is a Vietnam era modernized keeeping the same name with different version.

This example of the P-51 is way too exaggerated. Your example show like the only job made by the Indian pilot was pull the trigger accidentally...

There's no confirmation of the Pak F-16 having been downed by an IAF MiG-21. Also, if you wanted to be THAT reductionist, the MiG-21 is a bit older than "Vietnam-era." There have also been claims that an IAF Su-30MK was downed, but those also lack veracity.

The first casualty in war is truth, etc.

Until now, the evidence presented by IAF are either very dubious or proven to be false

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=55055&start=30

Until now, the evidence presented by IAF are either very dubious or proven to be false

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=55055&start=30

Yup. Claiming that a fuselage panel with stringers and longerons is the same thing as a machined part of the GE F110 housing is pretty rediculous...

Here some interesting opinions about. I don’t believe they will continue bringing out proofs about the veracity of the lost of Pakistani plane, this is a strategic and security fact for many reasons. I think the Indians are on hold waiting response for the moment.

Pure speculation.

The Indian MiG-21 Airframe design is almost the same when we talk about the original concept. So yes it is a Vietnam era modernized keeeping the same name with different version.

 

This example of the P-51 is way too exaggerated. Your example show like the only job made by the Indian pilot was pull the trigger accidentally...

The point of hyperbole IS exaggeration. Obviously a MiG-21 and F-16 are more comparable. My point however is that anything can potentially get a kill if the circumstances are right. Head to head a MiG-21 and F-16 are not even remotely equal. However, if circumstances were conducive, yes, a kill is possible. We don't have a lot of detail (afaik) about specifics of how it all went down, so it's hard to say what happened or why. Obviously one was in a superior position, got a shot and took it.

As others have mentioned, this kill is unconfirmed. Thus far, there are lots of 'omissions' in the Indian reports and exaggerated claims of success.

Until now, the evidence presented by IAF are either very dubious or proven to be false

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=55055&start=30

Thanks for providing this. :thumbup:

The wreck in that thread is definitely a Hawk. You can tell by the top of the tail. It has that little jutting out part and the fins on either side of it. Most the other photos of wreckage are clearly bogus, too.

The claim a F-16 was shot down is increasingly appearing to be bs.