Tom Kazansky Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Thanks again Sierra. You're a source of knowledge as always. I slowly get the feeling how much work a truly realistic flight sim would be and that is reasonable to draw some lines when it comes to realism. On the other hand I see that there is no computer progress in the future that brings us to an end of wishes. This bow waves of heavies will come with DCS 5 or 6.0 :D You won't be surprised that I have another question about AAR: Does a real tanker bank and turn before or while contact without warning by radio communication like it is in DCS right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Thanks again Sierra. You're a source of knowledge as always. I slowly get the feeling how much work a truly realistic flight sim would be and that is reasonable to draw some lines when it comes to realism. On the other hand I see that there is no computer progress in the future that brings us to an end of wishes. This bow waves of heavies will come with DCS 5 or 6.0 :D You won't be surprised that I have another question about AAR: Does a real tanker bank and turn before or while contact without warning by radio communication like it is in DCS right now? It depends on the Comm option being used and the environment. If we're comm out No. Training missions...usually yes. If the receiver had Boom Interphone I always gave them a heads up...Usually the tanker will call a turn out of courtesy. Despite the popular belief...Tankers don't hate the receivers. But they also have the same Nav instruments we have so they know when a turn is approaching. The Biggest different is Real tankers ease into the turn. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 The boom will automatically disconnect when it gets near to limits, ideally before it breaks stuff. But the pilot of the jet still has to do his bit to hold position. Fair enough I guess. I've done it in the F15 and while its fairly easy to get lined up and connected I have issues "staying in the zone". Guess I just need more practice. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 The only thing o can add is IRL the only real "action / reaction" issue during refueling was directly related to the size of the receiver being refueling...but for completely different reasons. Fuel pressure and Bow wave. With fighters you had to limit how many pumps you used during AR. Fighters are relatively light aircraft...,the fuel tube being free floating would telescope out due to pressure if the fighter wasn't taking the fuel as fast as it was being pumped. So I might make a contact at 12' but when we started passing fuel they'd slide back slowly to 13-14 feet. Enough to get a "fly forward" light on the PDIs. It usually wasn't aggressive event but it was directly related to the hydraulic effect of the fuel flow being somewhat constricted. With heavies you could run 4 AR Pumps all days and they'd take the fuel without really noticing...but with heavies ya get a different interaction. Bow Wave. The nose of a heavy receiver (C-5 C-17, KC-10 etc) pushes a mass of air along in front of it that interacts with the tail of the tanker. As a C-5 closes to contact the air it's pushing with its nose begins to push UP against the tail of the tanker causing the tanker to want to descend. It also creates a big cushion between the two aircraft the receiver must push through as they close to contact. The same thing happens with fighters but to a lesser extent. They have to push through the tanker wake. Thats interesting, and things I would have never thought about. Thanks! New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkeyrider Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Sierra99 - thanks very much for your detailed explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoglessPanic Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Sierra99 - thanks very much for your detailed explanations. Yes! Incredibly detailed I appreciate the insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Thanks again Sierra99! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/2b2/2019-05-24-DCS-F-16C-18.jpg When I see pictures like this I wanna yell " I CLAIM THE RIGHT OF PRIMA NOCTA!" Real F-16s have all felt a Boomers touch and look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/F-16_June_2008.jpg [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 PRIMA NOCTA! *shudder* It's "primae noctis". ;) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 ok, you may have the first night as long as I get all the others ;) EDIT.... I see, you meant the first boom contact. Pff... I don't care.... :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/2b2/2019-05-24-DCS-F-16C-18.jpg When I see pictures like this I wanna yell " I CLAIM THE RIGHT OF PRIMA NOCTA!" Real F-16s have all felt a Boomers touch and look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/F-16_June_2008.jpg Wish I had the picture of when the boomers touch was a little rough. :cry: Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 F-16s are easy...A-10s...they get beat up pretty bad... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 F-16s are easy...A-10s...they get beat up pretty bad... Yeah, but they are sturdy girls, they can take it. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekSpeare Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) It took me about three hours of practice and then it made sense. I also watched some good training videos. Here's my results: The videos I found useful are linked in the description :smartass: I am wondering how I'll do with a boom since all I am able to do now is the drogue. I'm looking forward to doing it in the F16, though...REALLY looking forward to it! Edited September 30, 2019 by DerekSpeare Derek "BoxxMann" Speare derekspearedesigns.com 25,000+ Gaming Enthusiasts Trust DSD Components to Perform! i7-11700k 4.9g | RTX3080ti (finally!)| 64gb Ram | 2TB NVME PCIE4| Reverb G1 | CH Pro Throt/Fighterstick Pro | 4 DSD Boxes Falcon XT/AT/3.0/4.0 | LB2 | DCS | LOMAC Been Flight Simming Since 1988! Useful VR settings and tips for DCS HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The advantage you will have anyhow is that refueling using the AirForce-System should go much quicker than with the Navy-Drogues. BR, Deadpool Lincoln said: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Do not expect a reply to any questions, 30.06.2021 - Silenced by Nineline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Wish I had the picture of when the boomers touch was a little rough. :cry: IIRC, on 89-2157, in the 310FS, Luke AFB in 1999: One boom hit the rear transparency, broke of the upper TACAN, destroyed the GPS antenna and bent the IFR door. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) I do not think neither of this example would be good for the USAF F-16C circa 2007 after CCIP, for conversation sake. Looking around USAF F-16C block 40/42 after CCIP circa 2011 Lading gear down, atl flaps to extend below 400 knot and IFR door open below 400 knot will maintain Takeoff/landing gains. But keep in mind Flaps extended above 240 will start going up and would be fully retracted by 370 knots. This could incur damage to the flaps, flap Integrated Servo Actuator (ISA) or the flap supports. Sorry to bring it back but, I accidentally found out that there's indeed a TEF schedule from an early DFLCS block diagram. It's scheduled as a function of dynamic pressure and is mixed with the output signal from the roll FLCS at SURFACE COMMAND MIXER before it is sent to ISA. Not sure if it's still the case in later blocks. (F-16 Digital Flight Control System Functional Block Diagrams. Data obtained from Lt. Bruce Peet, F-16 System Program Office, Wright-Patterson OH.) There's another thing that is suspicious to me. If exceeding 370kts can cause damage to the Flaperon ISA, then the same could happen if a maximum roll is commanded, since the signal from TEF and roll axis is mixed and sent to the same ISA. Edited June 13, 2020 by LJQCN101 EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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