A-A missles for A-G use?

The MiG-21Bis manual mentions that IR A-A missles can be fired at ground targets. Has anyone tried doing that?

Some of the missiles lock on stationary ground targets. But those seem to be aircraft that with stationary running engines or recently landed ones, whose engines are still hot. I read somewhere that A-10's used to fire Aim-9's at ground targets. So the russians should be able to do that as well.

Yeah, that's the answer I was hoping for. Thanks.

But this answer didn't answer the question, did it? :D The question is does this tactics work in DCS, with its current missile modelling.

I never tested it, but it might be worth firing up mission editor and putting some taxiing planes on the ramp to shoot at.

Yeah... but the thing is... in the first gulf-war, it was a case of friendly fire from the A-10 at some British special forces who got way behind the frontline. Appearantly, the sun was heating up their Landrovers (or whatever ATV they had) and it was appearantly enough for the Sidewinder to produce a tone. Nobody got hurt in the end I think.

Stationary running engines definitely produces a tone on the MiG-21 IR missiles. But I never actually fired them in those conditions. Because it only locks when you are very close to the actual target. And stationary targets pass really, really quickly in a MiG-21. So I don't think it is really an effective method of attacking aircraft on the ground at all. A few well placed 23mm shots, or possibly 57mm rockets will be equally effective.

There were some APC and tanks destroyed with R60's in the Nagorno Karabakh war according ACIG.info

About the same scenario as with the A10. But i highly doubt tanks were destroyed. Since the warhead on the R-60 is rather small.

Well.. Everything is subject to change, right? :D

Planes on the ground can be locked with IR. From memory, that includes R3S and R13M1. Unsure about R-60

About the same scenario as with the A10. But i highly doubt tanks were destroyed. Since the warhead on the R-60 is rather small.

It is possible if the tanks/APCs involved had very thin armour on the top. The BMP-1 has a mere 6mm of roof armour, so it would probably be vulnerable to a direct hit.

Planes on the ground can be locked with IR. From memory, that includes R3S and R13M1. Unsure about R-60

The R-60 aswell. Though not ground vehicles..

switch to beam mode, select R3R, flip up the launch override switch, the one with the red cover behind the stick, make sure you're a good 5+ KM away when you launch, or the missile won't have enough time to start properly tracking... it's like a mini-grom...

the RS-2US as well, but that's more like 4KM...

switch to beam mode, select R3R, flip up the launch override switch, the one with the red cover behind the stick, make sure you're a good 5+ KM away when you launch, or the missile won't have enough time to start properly tracking... it's like a mini-grom...

 

the RS-2US as well, but that's more like 4KM...

You're sure? I used to try that before and wouldn't work (and at least in case of R-3R shouldn't either in my opinion).

Behind the stick there is tactical release switch, and missile emergency launch button. Is there a launch override switch I am missing besides these?

Just tried this again with RS2US, flipping the tactical switch up, and they don't seem to guide at all, whatever the distance I shoot them at. Back then when the module was released, tried with emergency launch button, which would fire the missiles but they wouldn't guide either.

switch to beam mode, select R3R, flip up the launch override switch, the one with the red cover behind the stick, make sure you're a good 5+ KM away when you launch, or the missile won't have enough time to start properly tracking... it's like a mini-grom...

 

the RS-2US as well, but that's more like 4KM...

There's a launch override? Thanks! :)

switch to beam mode, select R3R, flip up the launch override switch, the one with the red cover behind the stick, make sure you're a good 5+ KM away when you launch, or the missile won't have enough time to start properly tracking... it's like a mini-grom...

 

the RS-2US as well, but that's more like 4KM...

The GROM is horribly inaccurate sometimes. How good does the R3R work?

I sometimes tried to lock on ground targets with the Warthogs AIM-9, but that doesn't work in DCS. I think I've also tried it with the Fishbeds R-60M when it was new, but I think I had no success either. I think it's technically not possible in DCS to lock on ground targets with (heat seeking) A-A missiles in DCS. Apparently ground vehicles don't have the required attributes to be locked by them.

R3S missiles are able to lock on ground targets. As far as I know, our air-force even practiced such utilization of the missile.

I know I've seen the seeker start tracking other planes rolling past down the taxiway when I forgot to turn the missile master arm off after landing before. Yes I've long since been given a desk job in Siberia in my virtual mig21 pilot career.

R3S missiles are able to lock on ground targets. As far as I know, our air-force even practiced such utilization of the missile.

It would be nice if this would work in DCS.

I've killed aircraft taxiing at the airfield. The R-60M's and R13's are pretty good, but their accuracy is not as good as you think. My missiles usually missed them by a meter or two.

Yet it sometimes fails to lock in the sky