Al-Azraq Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Incorrect on the bold part. DCS applies it progressively, if very quickly. You can confirm that yourself with the control indicator. With that known, you really don't need axis controlled brakes. Tapping or very briefly holding a button/key works fine during initial roll out. I didn't know that, interesting! Thanks for the correction. i7 12700KF | MSI Z690 A-PRO | Corsair Vengeance 2x16 gb @ 3200 Mhz | RTX 3070 Ti FE | Acer XB271HU 1440P 144HZ | Virpil T-50 CM throttle | Virpil WarBRD Base + MongoosT-50 CM2 Grip | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR 5 | HP Reverb G2 Bf 109 K-4 | Fw 190 A-8 | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | P-51D | Fw 190 D-9 | P-47D | Mosquito FB VI | F/A 18C | F-14 A/B | F-16C | MiG-15bis | MiG-21bis | M-2000C | A-10C | AJS-37 Viggen | UH-1H | Ka-50 | Mi-24P | C-101 | Flaming Cliffs 3 Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | The Channel | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I didn't know that, interesting! Thanks for the correction. Axis controlled brakes are still much easier to work with though :) Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 once you learn to take off in the i-16 the 109 is positively trivial to take off in, doesnt need any of this weird brake circus youre talking about at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 once you learn to take off in the i-16 the 109 is positively trivial to take off in, doesnt need any of this weird brake circus youre talking about at all Oh you need it, try take off with strong cross wind, or with tail wind. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Oh you need it, try take off with strong cross wind, or with tail wind.You don't take off with tail wind. If you advance quickly, but not rushed, to about 1.1/1.2 AtA you should be able to manage with only full rudder. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 You don't take off with tail wind. If you advance quickly, but not rushed, to about 1.1/1.2 AtA you should be able to manage with only full rudder. I found out, that after recent ground handling changes, you need a little more braking then before. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted June 25, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 25, 2020 There was a trick that makes things easier - to use manual prop for take off. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 There was a trick that makes things easier - to use manual prop for take off. Shhhhhh.... don't tell this secret....:lol: Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-Azraq Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 There was a trick that makes things easier - to use manual prop for take off. Mind sharing more details Yo-Yo? I guess that prop pitch around 12:00 and not go past certain ATA? i7 12700KF | MSI Z690 A-PRO | Corsair Vengeance 2x16 gb @ 3200 Mhz | RTX 3070 Ti FE | Acer XB271HU 1440P 144HZ | Virpil T-50 CM throttle | Virpil WarBRD Base + MongoosT-50 CM2 Grip | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR 5 | HP Reverb G2 Bf 109 K-4 | Fw 190 A-8 | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | P-51D | Fw 190 D-9 | P-47D | Mosquito FB VI | F/A 18C | F-14 A/B | F-16C | MiG-15bis | MiG-21bis | M-2000C | A-10C | AJS-37 Viggen | UH-1H | Ka-50 | Mi-24P | C-101 | Flaming Cliffs 3 Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | The Channel | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Even at stock 12:30 in manual mode the left-pulling tendency is noticeably weaker than in auto. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 There was a trick that makes things easier - to use manual prop for take off. But you cant use 1.8 with this. Engine will over rev. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultFace Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Set to 1130-1145 works fine at 1.8 Ata. 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Prop pitch manually to 12:00 and 1.45ATA is absolutely fine for a nice take off. Even with a 500kg bomb loaded, I don't use 1.78ATA/MW50. Only for extreme short take offs with full flaps. Fox Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Prop pitch manually to 12:00 and 1.45ATA is absolutely fine for a nice take off. Even with a 500kg bomb loaded, I don't use 1.78ATA/MW50. Only for extreme short take offs with full flaps. Fox Wow i can see you tapping right brake :P I didn't say that take off w/o brakes is impossible. Edited June 27, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) This is more like w/o brakes take off btw. Edited June 27, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iFoxRomeo Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Wow i can see you tapping right brake :P I didn't say that take off w/o brakes is impossible. I never said, that you said so... It was just a video for the manual prop pitch. It's no shame to use the brakes. Fox Spoiler PC Specs: Ryzen 9 5900X, 3080ti, 64GB RAM, Oculus Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enduro14 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Some great tidbits in this video and brakes certainly had to be used at times Start at the 12 min mark is good Edited June 27, 2020 by Enduro14 Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted June 27, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 27, 2020 But you cant use 1.8 with this. Engine will over rev. But you should not. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultFace Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Like I said works fine for 1130-1145 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biga42 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Every time I take off the plane bank to the left, so I have to pull the stick to the right to compensate...what Am I doing wrong? Don't have expertise with WWII airplanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Nothing. You need to compensate the torque, slipstream and may be even crosswind. The most critical moment is , when you take off, but are still slow. Try to fly parallel to the ground until you are fast enough and do not pull back, as you will stall and when you push the throttle forward in a stall/near stall the torque will flip the plane. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Every time I take off the plane bank to the left, so I have to pull the stick to the right to compensate...what Am I doing wrong? Don't have expertise with WWII airplanes. It is common thing, i always put a little right aileron for take off. Most important thing is to not force tail to lift, just wait until tail lifts off by it self, sometime you should put tiny back pressure on stick to delay tail lift or when you aim for 3 point take off. I think in Fw 190 series, 3 point take off is one which you are looking for. Edited June 29, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biga42 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Thanks guys! it's a complete different experience to fly these warbirds, I have to collect more millage to do the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) The little bit of right stick is the normal method, and how you should do it. Alternatively, keep the stick centered, and when you get the tail up apply slight forward pressure to keep the 109 on the ground (two wheels) for about 5-10 secs past the point where it'd normally want to take off on its own. You'll pick up enough extra speed that when you ease it off ground, the wing drop is less apparent. Trade off is more time on the rudder to keep running straight on the ground. The key is exactly what Shagrat says though, ease it off and don't pull back. Edited July 2, 2020 by Buzzles Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) The little bit of right stick is the normal method, and how you should do it. Alternatively, keep the stick centered, and when you get the tail up apply slight forward pressure to keep the 109 on the ground (two wheels) for about 5-10 secs past the point where it'd normally want to take off on its own. You'll pick up enough extra speed that when you ease it off ground, the wing drop is less apparent. Trade off is more time on the rudder to keep running straight on the ground. The key is exactly what Shagrat says though, ease it off and don't pull back. 10 seconds? Whole take off takes something like 10 seconds :P Edited July 3, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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