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Old 12-06-2017, 04:39 AM   #171
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2/2/2 (AIM-7/9/54 respectively) was the standard load out at sea. In the shop, we had ever even heard of anyone trying a 6-Phoenix loadout outside of factory testing. I'm sure it would take a lot of maintenance effort just to get it to work. The Phoenix is liquid cooled by Coolanol. The Coolanol lines out to the wing stations in many cases had never been used in the life of the aircraft, and to try to use them would involve having to flush them out and fix who knows how many leaks you'd come across, given how infrequently they'd been used, if ever. Coolanol was a pain in the ass (it cooled not only the Phoenix but the radar transmitter and high voltage power supplies as well). To get it working for six Phoenix missles would be a daunting task. I had heard while I was in VF-101 (the RAG) that they had tried carrying Phoenix on the wing stations a time or two there, but a sea-going squadron just didn't have the time or wherewithal to play with it. We did not carry Phoenix wing stations on the ship.

The next most common loadout was 4/4/0 and was used mainly in training involving lots of ACM if memory serves.
Unless your CO orders you. Capt. Crazy Bob (R.L. Leuschner) made his squadrons regularly do 6-0-2 1000nm missions. He was a huge fan of putting his crew through excercises as close to all out war as he could make them.
By 6-0-2 I'm talking the standard convention of listing 54/7/9

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Old 12-06-2017, 05:39 AM   #172
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154 and VF-2 regularly carried the Phoenix on the shoulder stations...
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:37 AM   #173
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I have a strong feeling that you would mostly see
4*aim7+4*aim9 or 6*aim7+2*aim9 while flying online.

Aim54 is not something you would shoot at a flighter target. (That is expecting to get shot).and no one will let you shoot down all the tankers and AWACS for the "other team" in TvT.
You can if you want to attempt to close the engagement distances.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:28 AM   #174
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why not carry
2x Aim9s
4x Aim7s (2x in the "wings" and 2x on the forward centerline stations)
2x Aim54s (centerline, but on the aft stations)
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:23 AM   #175
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i see someone is not familiar with the sop here, which is "never learn from your mistakes"
here's a rundown of how its really going to go:

1. carry 6 phoenixes
2. ripple fire at rmax and whiff all of them
3. tab onto the forum
4. create new thread
5. report aim-54 as bugged and underperforming
6. repeat


Hahaaaa! Very good!

(But it will happen.)
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:28 PM   #176
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why not carry
2x Aim9s
4x Aim7s (2x in the "wings" and 2x on the forward centerline stations)
2x Aim54s (centerline, but on the aft stations)
That wasn't an approved load due to balance issues.

The best you could do is 2 Aim-9, 3 Sparrow (one on each shoulder, one centerline aft) and two Phoenix (forward).
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:47 PM   #177
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That wasn't an approved load due to balance issues.

The best you could do is 2 Aim-9, 3 Sparrow (one on each shoulder, one centerline aft) and two Phoenix (forward).
thx for the info
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:04 PM   #178
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:14 PM   #179
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Hahaaaa! Very good!

(But it will happen.)
With the way some people fight on MP, my strategy initially is going to be
(2-3-2 configuration)
Fire a Phoenix at your target(s) in TWS mode. Accelerate to intercept and follow your shot(s).
By the time you're closing in on Sparrow range, if you've accelerated to the speed right after you've fired, this happens at about the time your opponents have their hands full dealing with the Phoenix gone pitbull. Fire a Sparrow at one target, wait for hit/miss, then defend. Close as much as possible, fire a second Sparrow just out of Sidewinder range. Hopefully you're down to one bogey at this point, and it's down to a 1v1 with your bonus second pair of eyes/AI with second pair of "eyes."

I wonder how well that'll work in MP. Probably not so well against experienced pilots, but if you've got two guys not working together facing you, one of them is going to spaz out while trying to defend, making it a 1v1.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:19 PM   #180
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Unless your CO orders you. Capt. Crazy Bob (R.L. Leuschner) made his squadrons regularly do 6-0-2 1000nm missions. He was a huge fan of putting his crew through excercises as close to all out war as he could make them.
By 6-0-2 I'm talking the standard convention of listing 54/7/9
I guess every Air wing had different philosophies, and maybe the Pacific fleet saw things different than the Atlantic fleet. In talking to our crews, they didn't see much of an RoE that would allow them to use the Phoenix as originally intended (shooting down waves of Russian bombers coming over the horizon) and actually valued it much more for its fire-and-forget properties at closer range.
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