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Old 04-09-2018, 07:01 PM   #21
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This is great news. I hope it all works out well for you and your team.

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Old 04-09-2018, 08:13 PM   #22
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as Above - it will be a free update

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Mint, I bought the Hawk ages ago so free update !! Sorry for my harsh words but I just felt really upset. Anyway good luck and may the Hawk fly again, lovely little airplane.

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Old 04-09-2018, 11:37 PM   #23
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There is still hope for this project and I hope that in the end, it turns out well, the key points being delivered like the EFM and textures will be nice. Hope to see more damage effects on this soon too!
Just to point out. The Hawk even now has EFM since years! They just want to redo it, because its basics were developed even before DCS 1.5 and it gets more and more complicated to fix and troubleshoot the old FM code.
If I remember correct, the Hawk was the first 3rd party module, besides Belsimtek, to have an EFM.

Edit - or second, not sure about the MiG-21 early access release date.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:20 AM   #24
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Nice to see the 2.0 of the Hawk and how does make it fly like...
One thing that always was odd to me was that Hawk always felt like a paperplane, so it "didn't have a mass". Maybe because the sound effects or the agility etc. But it just was so "light" and "paper kind plane". Difficult to put finger on it.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:46 AM   #25
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The problem with the communities understanding of EFM, PFM ,AFM AFM+ or PMT but not in my case, I'm in the menopause, is none of us have ever been in a military aircraft or very few! So it comes down to bullshit when we simmers say 'the flight model is like a paper plane' ! Well I have never flown a 'paper plane' so I cannot comment on that. All I can say is the HAWK had a flight model that was not the SFM version but knowing how difficult it must be to programme an AFM or EFM but not the PMT, I held great faith in VEAO doing the HAWK to professional standards. I now have faith ....AGAIN !! Best speed VEAO and may the wind take your arse in the right course this time.. Welcome back to DCS !

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Old 04-10-2018, 10:16 AM   #26
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thanks, glad to hear that Hawk is in the repair shop
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:00 AM   #27
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Thanks for the update Pman. I can only imagine how complicated coding and bug squashing is. It must be frustrating for you. Great to hear the progress.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:21 AM   #28
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Nice to see the 2.0 of the Hawk and how does make it fly like...
One thing that always was odd to me was that Hawk always felt like a paperplane, so it "didn't have a mass". Maybe because the sound effects or the agility etc. But it just was so "light" and "paper kind plane". Difficult to put finger on it.
It is one of the smaller and lighter planes.
It is pretty agile, and given the fact, that multiple real live Hawk pilots seem to be quite happy with the (current EFM), yet still give input, to optimize and better the overall FM, I am sure the basic "feel" won't change much.

As a armchair pilot myself, I always felt the current EFM was very "believable" and "felt" like I would expect an agile little trainer would handle.

Let's see what improvements to the FM come with Hawk 2.0, though I don't expect major changes in handling.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:46 PM   #29
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Great news VEAO. Keep them coming!
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Great news. Thanks!
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