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Old 02-21-2019, 05:53 PM   #11
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True, unless there is wind and no wind data was entered into the LASTE menu.
The IFFCC should automatically calculate winds; manually entering wind data should only be necessary when the winds are much different at the target area (which won't happen with static weather in DCS, and should hardly ever be necessary), as far as Snoopy and Eddie have said repeatedly.

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What is you Alt?, you might be to high for 10 sec lase time. the bomb could over fly the target before the laser turns on.
Interesting. Never heard of that possibility. What do you base this on?

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Aren't LGBs CCRP solution designed to release the bomb to fall long of target so they would have extra energy to maneuver?
Yup, pretty sure that's the case.

I've never heard of bombs falling too long for the laser spot tracker to pick up the laser, though. After all, that's exactly what the bomb is designed to do: Fall free for a few moments and then pick up the laser spot for terminal guidance. I believe 10 seconds should be an okay lase time for all release altitudes.

Speaking of which, low releases tend to miss because there may just not be enough time for the guidance kit to pick up the laser.

@JovenTroll, a video or a track would help, if you still have problems with LGBs.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:37 AM   #12
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@Yurgon, have seen a bunch of topics about this over the years, there is a graphic floating around (that I can't find right now) that explains this very good. It has really only to do with the angle of the bomb, the seeker, line of sight etc. As I understand it, the bomb can either 'fly over the laser' before it turns it seeker towards the ground, missing the target or spotting it too early and forcing the bomb too early on its final flight path and reducing it's actual reach.



@All: Anyone know what I got in mind and has a link? Will bookmark this time, promise! <3


@Topic, with laze times I usually go with 50% of the time it takes for my bomb from my plane to the ground. (I prefer manual laze + Latch option in TGP over auto laze to be flexible with altitudes) This has so far always worked out for me, but I usually only drop from 6k ft+ and if I am that low, most of the time I will just drop it in CCIP.


edit: Misunderstood the point. xD /disregard

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Old 02-22-2019, 12:49 AM   #13
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The IFFCC should automatically calculate winds; manually entering wind data should only be necessary when the winds are much different at the target area (which won't happen with static weather in DCS, and should hardly ever be necessary), as far as Snoopy and Eddie have said repeatedly.

I saw a YouTube video (can’t remember which) of some guy testing this out. He was dropping unguided bombs. The bombs always missed in the same direction and distance without touching the LASTE menu. For these tests he did all his run-ins at the same altitude, airspeed, and heading. After entering in the wind data, he dropped a few more bombs and they all hit very close to the target. A noticeable difference. After seeing that video, I’m not convinced the IFFCC calculates the wind automatically even if it’s supposed to. I always enter in the data now while waiting for INS alignment on the ramp.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:21 PM   #14
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As I understand it, the bomb can either 'fly over the laser' before it turns it seeker towards the ground, missing the target or spotting it too early and forcing the bomb too early on its final flight path and reducing it's actual reach.
That's quite interesting; I don't recall ever hearing about that too long drop. Especially with the A-10, it's hard to drop from very high alt anyway.

I guess with the F-18 or F-14 it's more likely that there might be a problem when CCRP'ing from Angels 30 and above. I'll try to keep this in mind in case LGB problems appear around those aircraft in these conditions.

As for the bomb picking up the laser too soon and bleeding its energy so that it falls short, I think that would actually be a problem with our version of the Paveway, but in DCS I've never seen it happen. I used to advise people to lase no more than 15 seconds before impact, but many players say they just start lasing as soon as they drop, and regardless of altitude their LGBs never fall short, so I'm thinking this isn't actually simulated in DCS - or, once again, it might be a problem that the A-10 just doesn't have because it doesn't fly all that high.

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After seeing that video, I’m not convinced the IFFCC calculates the wind automatically even if it’s supposed to. I always enter in the data now while waiting for INS alignment on the ramp.
Yeah, he made a pretty good point. I think I remember that video, IIRC it's based on this thread.

In my squad, some of the guys enter wind data religiously into the CDU, others don't. Can't say that I can really spot a difference in our bombing accuracy between the different setups, though. Since I have more than enough stuff to do during start-up, I go by what Snoopy and Eddie said and just skip CDU wind data. I don't think it does any harm, but it doesn't seem necessary to me, either.
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