Vampyr Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Anyone have a list of externally visible features that set the A-10C apart from the earlier variants? I always thought that the arrow shaped AN/ARC-210 BLOS antenna behind the cockpit was only present on the A-10C, but apparently this is not the case and I can't use that as a visual indicator. I then started looking at the loadout thinking that if the aircraft is carrying a Sniper XR, it's an A-10C because earlier variants (including the A-10+) were not compatible with Sniper, but once again I can't find any sources that confirm this. Some of you may have seen my other thread on Sniper compatibility. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippy Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 When the 163rd started receiving jets back from Hill AFB after conversion to C models in 2011, all the jets lacked the Pave Penny. I think a handful of PE program A-10s may have initially kept the Pave Penny for some time, but to my understanding they have all been removed as of now. 80-0230 on final. March of '11. The A-10C model also received the 1760 data bus that allowed the A-10C to employ JDAMs and WCMDs; A-10A did not have this. Sniper XR capability was also added as a result of the PE program; could not be carried by the A-10A+, unlike the LITENING. 163rd vFS Website, Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Well, in-game, the pave-penny is still there. In-game as well, the A-10A can carry those big 38 rocket pods and these old, painted in white cluster monition, the MK20 ? The C can't 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Here is an old thread dealing with this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142164 https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824 CNCs and Laser engravers are great but they can't do squat with out a precise set of plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Here is an old thread dealing with this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142164 I read that before creating this thread. The thread you linked doesn't mention anything about Sniper compatibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) I read that before creating this thread. The thread you linked doesn't mention anything about Sniper compatibility. With the thread title I was addressing the original question. If you would have list that you had read the posted thread it would have been helpful. To answer your question on the sniper pod the only reference i can find is out of Jake Melampy's Modern Hog Guide . First Paragraph page 15 paraphrased Lists A-10A+ 80-0232 as being modified by ANG/AFRC test center to test the Sniper pod Ordinarily the A-10C is the only variant to employ the pod. Edited April 23, 2018 by Deadman spelling https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824 CNCs and Laser engravers are great but they can't do squat with out a precise set of plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RglsPhoto Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 IIRC the tgp is loaded on inner station on A-10A while on A-10C the tgp is loaded on outter station . I7-6700K OC 4.9G, 896G SSD, 32G RAM @ 2400MHz, NH-D15 cooling system,TM Hotas Warthog,Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals,TrackIr 5, BOSE M2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Here is an old thread dealing with this https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=142164 I feel embarrassed for creating this thread nowadays. Lol :doh: SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 IMHO this is the best way to identify an A-10. Whether it's a Charlie model or an Alpha. The easiest and really only "true" way to tell the difference between an A-10A and A-10C is on the nose of the aircraft C models had all the "scoops" removed so you can see the vents. You could say the Missile Warning System (MWS) on the wingtip and tail, but there were A-10Cs without them too. But in case you see them, that's an A-10C for sure. An A-10 carrying a TGP doesn't mean it's a Charlie model either, there were A-10As+ carrying the LITENING Pod on the Station 3 and 9. The Pave Penny was removed around the time when they were introducing the Suite 7. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippy Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The Pave Penny was removed around the time when they were introducing the Suite 7. According to Snoopy back in this post, Suite 7s were deployed ≈2012. When the 163rd received jets from conversion in early 2011, they lacked PPs and were not Suite 7 jets. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2370367&postcount=19 163rd vFS Website, Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 According to Snoopy back in this post, Suite 7s were deployed ≈2012. When the 163rd received jets from conversion in early 2011, they lacked PPs and were not Suite 7 jets. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2370367&postcount=19 Not necessarily, exactly, when they were being deployed. But introduced into the A-10C. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) When the 163rd received jets from conversion in early 2011, they lacked PPs and were not Suite 7 jets. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2370367&postcount=19 You may want to check your facts, I know a couple crew chiefs in the 163d and I know for a fact at least some had the pave penny pylon on them still. The attached picture is from a friend when it arrived and he was assigned the DCC. Edited April 24, 2018 by Snoopy v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Interesting threads, both. I gather from all the back and forth, there is no reliable way to tell them apart (both may have or not have scoops, or may or may not have T antennae, although it seems certain features are MORE common on one or the other, neither is guaranteed). That said, it got me to comparing photos of the legacy Hornet vs Super Hornet, and obviously, very big differences, but also something suddenly struck me. A Super Hornet looks a lot like a slightly streamlined MiG-29 with more closely mounted engines, especially from the fore-above and rear-below angles. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippy Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) You may want to check your facts, I know a couple crew chiefs in the 163d and I know for a fact at least some had the pave penny pylon on them still. The attached picture is from a friend when it arrived and he was assigned the DCC. The second post in this thread was from me, also picturing a 163rd A-10 in March of '11 with the Pave Penny pylon still attached. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3460879&postcount=2 There are many photos of A-10s, not just from the 163rd, with the missing sensor but carrying the pylon. I have never personally seen a 163 jet with the sensor on the pylon - but maybe I could be wrong. I do see the 163's jets often - not every day of the week though. If you've got an image, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong and that not every jet came back without the Pave Penny. Or perhaps seeing just the pylon doesn't mean that the Pave Penny is no longer on the jet? I'm just extrapolating here. You're obviously more knowledgeable on the topic than I am. Edited April 25, 2018 by Kippy As to not make a fool of myself 163rd vFS Website, Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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