Su-33 airbrake indicator - despite what in real life, your opinion is matter

Mechanical systems indicator panel should show the state of airbrake? As in Su-27.

(to see discussion about speed brake: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190545)

Is visible the current indication in the night image? It is extended, I sad.

I believe that the real Su-33 has that indicator as it should, and I also saw a photo of a Su-33 cockpit simulator that has it as well. The reason why ED might not have included it in their version is because the respective build they are modeling might not have had that wired in - which might indicate that this was some sort of prototype.

 

So +1 on the inclusion of that airbrake indicator!

Yeah, it should have the airspeed indicator regardless of type modeled as ED themselves have not been specific as to what type is modeled right now.

Yeah, it should have the airspeed indicator regardless of type modeled as ED themselves have not been specific as to what type is modeled right now.

Only place I could find to ask this question, I have FC3 and 157 Beta installed, have updated to latest version but I don't see this a/c in FC3 or my installed modules. Have this update been release yet and if so how come I'm not seeing it in anything but ME? Thanks TC

Only place I could find to ask this question, I have FC3 and 157 Beta installed, have updated to latest version but I don't see this a/c in FC3 or my installed modules. Have this update been release yet and if so how come I'm not seeing it in anything but ME? Thanks TC

 

It does not show up as a separate aircraft. Your FC3 Su-33 flight model should be updated. Have you tried to fly it?

+1 to get the airbrake light back.

I'm not showing the SU-33 with-in FC3 only the SU-27, However I can select the SU-33 with-in the Mission Edition. TC

The question is, do all the actual fleet Su-33's have the illuminated light or not? Whatever the answer to that question is, I'd prefer DCS to follow suit.

Only 16 su-33 users? :( .. it really seems that this bird is the ugly duck of FC3, pity.

Far for an ugly duck, whilst I hardly fly any DCS these days, I still have a great interest of all the russian aircraft, and hope in the future the game engine returns to its former glory of fault free and a be a sight to behold.

 

I wouldn't take silence as an indicator of interest, as I hardly ever comment on aircraft or good missions, but I certainly do stockpile them for playing later on.

 

To me common sense would dictate, why even put an indicator light on the dash for the speed brake, if you weren't going to implement it to show its state. So I am all for it lighting when the speed brake is extended.

 

Regards, Ian.

Edited September 22, 2017 by MadDog-IC

No it doesn't make much sense, but apparently ED got the information about the missing airbrake indication on the real aircraft from credible sources.

 

However, if I understood this post by KAKTyC correctly:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3251391&postcount=436

 

...the airbrake indication will be reinstated in the next update.

Good info. Thanks.

Airbrake indicator still not working in new: 1.5.7.10175.378 (2017.sep.29.)

The Indicator must work...crazy to have deleted it. After last update I have huge new issues...Auto throttles nuts..nose wheel steering, the wheel locks dont hold on carrier, wings auto fold on engine start !!...but will post this in another thread...

If it doesn't work in real-life, it also shouldn't in DCS.

 

That's right, on the real Su-33 it also does not burn. But still I think it will be corrected for DCS

Many things that do work...are downgraded or deleted in DCS...so thats not a valid argument...Its clearly there on the indicator panel...used to work, like the wheel , wings, flaps etc ...it sould be brought back

If it doesn't work in real-life, it also shouldn't in DCS.

 

The real Su-33 also only have 10 working pylons and no SPO-15 RWR.

 

Do you want those things removed as well? :) .

^^^ Well said. The navigation and weapon system in Su-33 simulator are an approximative representation of the real ones, but on airbrake indicator suddenly the developers felt the need to go for 100% accuracy.

 

Make Su-33 full DCS module and then ok, delete the airbrake indicator if that is how the real aircraft is.

Agreed - compared with other gameplay omissions, the airbrake indicator is a minor detail.

If the real one doesn't have it... The one in DCS shouldn't either, that is my thought on the matter.

From this source there are several pics of Su-33 Cockpit with SPO-15 RWR on it.

 

 

On the left side SPO-15 ( buddy refueling indicator )

 

 

On the left side another Su-33.

 

From this source there are several pics of Su-33 Cockpit with SPO-15 RWR on it.

 

On the left side SPO-15 ( buddy refueling indicator )

 

What?

 

There are two different cockpits in the picture. The one to the left is an Su-33 cockpit - or Su-27K rather as it appears to be one of the 7 test aircraft with the "tanker panel"(its not the T10K-5 though since it has the standard Su-33 pressure altimeter), but the one to the right isn't - look at the lower part of the front instrumentation panel and the instrumentation(Pressure altimeter, VVI, fuel gauge and the entire RH console). Even the early pre-production test aircraft(T10K-3 to T10K-9) looked nothing like that.

 

My guess is that if the cockpit to the right has any relation to the Su-33, it would either be the very first prototype or, more likely, an Su-27(UB) used for testing some equipment - maybe the UPAZ.

 

The same goes for your second picture - the cockpit to the left is from an Su-27K/Su-33(tanker panel and other panels on the left console), while I have no idea what the one to the right is - it looks like some sort of experimental Su-27, but certainly not an Su-33.

^^ Precisely!

 

Good catch on the Su-27UB rear cockpit Fox One - I didn't pick up on that since I am not too fond of two-seater variants and therefore don't know what the rear position looks like :D .

Hmm, so the Su-33 probably has the L-150 PASTEL system in real life. Too bad ED don't have info or can't model it properly as it would be a game changer :)