greenmamba Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 They’re classified to the general public. But more then likely ED has access to resources and documentation that not everyone is privileged too. They definitely did with the hornet. My point is they wouldn’t attempt it otherwise. So they must know things we don’t. But there is a difference between classified documents and documents not available to everyone. It is classified and not sellable to export, like the HTS pod i don´t see how ED ...will get any rights about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) But there is a difference between classified documents and documents not available to everyone. It is classified and not sellable to export, like the HTS pod i don´t see how ED ...will get any rights about it ? A contract with LM and or the usaf Look at the hornet, there are plenty of features and examples of system modeling in the sim that you will not find in any public version of Natops or any other TOs or manuals. That demonstrates they have a much higher knowledge base then just what’s unclassified. I’m sure it’ll be similar with the F-16 Edited January 6, 2019 by Wizard_03 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 This is some pretty deep stuff right there. So the F-16 from ED would also belong to LM or be done under license from the USAF as is the A-10C ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekSpeare Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I've been waiting 20+ years for a good F16 Sim...and in VR will have me over the moon. I do hope it will have the MLU with the color MFDs (being greedy)...and I will pay whatever right now for it :) Derek "BoxxMann" Speare derekspearedesigns.com 25,000+ Gaming Enthusiasts Trust DSD Components to Perform! i7-11700k 4.9g | RTX3080ti (finally!)| 64gb Ram | 2TB NVME PCIE4| Reverb G1 | CH Pro Throt/Fighterstick Pro | 4 DSD Boxes Falcon XT/AT/3.0/4.0 | LB2 | DCS | LOMAC Been Flight Simming Since 1988! Useful VR settings and tips for DCS HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Color MFD’s is not MLU specific. M tape updates on USAF and SCU for ANG have color MFD’s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Livery / Skin Wish List Let's get a livery wish list going! What are your top 5? Here are mine: 1. Colorado Air National Guard 120th Fighter Squadron 2. Texas Air National Guard 182nd Fighter Squadron 3. South Carolina Air National Guard 157th Fighter Squadron 4. Arizona Air National Guard 152nd Fighter Squadron 5. New Mexico Air National Guard 188th Fighter Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 None of those units use Block 50 vipers, but still could be nice to have them. I’d prefer the 480 FS Warhawks from Spangdahlem in Germany. The 13th and 14th from Misawa AB in Japan. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 good point realism FTW i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) It has to do with the fact that those systems we are talking about, HTS and internal equipments on dorsal spins ... you won´t be able to reproduce them because they are classified. I said in my first post that i am curious on how they will implement those since you can´t find public data about it. Then you talked about different avionics suites on different F-16 variants. I then just went on about how SEAD is not the only option to go about SAM sites, that because of the lack of HTs pod some countries do go about DEAD. Then you said something about my comment about SEAD abd DEAD and i just answered. But my statement about SEAD and DEAD wasn´t a riddle. We are getting many thing mix and confused here. Lets brake it down. Having the HTS pod (or similar capabilities internally) does not define whether an air force ( any air force) does SEAD or DEAD. Not having the HTS pod nor similar capabilities internally would not prevent the SEAD/DEAD mission. Not using Anti Radiation Missiles (ARM) would certainly make it more difficult and on newer SAM almost impossible, but ARM do not define missions. The F-16C block 30 started to do the SEAD/DEAD missions on the late 1980 early 1990 and would fly paired up with F-4G Wild Weasel as a Hunter Killer team. F-4G being the eyes and ears. The Same thing was done as far back as Vietnam with F-105G and F-4C/D/E or F-100F and F-105. About the system being classified, So are many other things including but not limited to Radios, Radar, missile performance and capabilities, etc. Will we get 100%? No, we don't have that with any aircraft now. Something to read. SEAD neutralizes, destroys or temporarily degrades surface- based enemy air defenses by destructive or disruptive means. Direct PDF link https://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCWP%203-22.2%20Suppression%20of%20Enemy%20Air%20Defenses.pdf I just found this myself so let me do some reading. Edited January 6, 2019 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 We understand each other, sorry if i confused you. But we are saying the same thing. Nice found :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 My livery wish list consists of all current USAF/ANG Block 50 operators. A 179th FS HG5 bird would be very welcome as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Does the block 50 have the green MFDs instead of the full multi colore ones on earlier blocks? Gesendet von meinem SM-G965F mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Does the block 50 have the green MFDs instead of the full multi colore ones on earlier blocks? Gesendet von meinem SM-G965F mit Tapatalk It depends on the specific tape version. This one should have color MFD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 It depends on the specific tape version. This one should have color MFD'sI hope so! The green ones kinda suck. It's enough to have them on the hornet Gesendet von meinem SM-G965F mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyboPops Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think it's very unlikely that we'll get stuck with monochrome MFDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) It doesn’t depend on Block version. It depends on the software upgrade and yaer the ED BLK 50 will be modeled. For example USAF BLK50 have color MFD’s .... HAF block 50 have monochrome MFD’s .... HAF BLK 52+ have multicolor HAF and ROK BLK 30/32 have monochrome ANG BLK 30 have multicolor .... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited January 8, 2019 by greenmamba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Man, i hope we get color MFDs. I HATE the monochrome displays. i9 9900k @5.1GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z390 E-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 970 Evo 1TB | LPX 64GB DDR4 3200MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | Reverb G1 | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Based on the weapons they plan for it .... yes this should be the BLOCK 50 with multi color MFD’s. But monochrome doesn’t suck that bad you know .... again, based on the weapons they want to integrate ... the BLK50 with those weapons has color MFD’s. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Man, i hope we get color MFDs. I HATE the monochrome displays. What's wrong with monochrome displays? :huh: They work quite well in the Hornet. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathAngel1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I hope so! The green ones kinda suck. It's enough to have them on the hornet Gesendet von meinem SM-G965F mit Tapatalk The Hornet DDI's color is not only green. I think in future we will get an update for DDI's color. IMO two or three colors will be added (yellow, red and white). Edited January 8, 2019 by DeathAngel1 ..:NAVY PILOTS ARE THE THE BEST PILOTS:.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Some info on Color MFD and its relation to NVG and night flying This is a direct PDF link Night Vision Image System (NVIS) Just skimming the surface, you can see that back 18 years ago there where several CMFD versions. I wonder how many are now. Edited January 8, 2019 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The Hornet DDI's color is not only green. I think in future we will get an update for DDI's color. IMO two or three colors will be added (yellow, red and white).Yes that's why I didn't call.it monochrome. It has red yellow and white as well. But can't otherwise predominantly green. Gesendet von meinem SM-G965F mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke_iis Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 +1 for color MFDs. If nothing else it will make the cockpit and display modes more visually interesting. Love that they announced the CJ. Tamiya has an excellent scale model in 1/32 for that version. Will be fun to build when it gets released in early access. I have a model of the two seat Israeli SUFA version with the CFTs and all the bells and whistles. I'm not expecting an accurate mod for that version but something close with accurate livery for Arab-Israeli scenarios on the new Syria map would be swell. Recreating the Bekaa Valley would be fun once the MiG-23 is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I don't know why I though of this, but the F-16 would be a perfect place for ED to start micro transactions. I don't like micro transactions, but whether we like them or not, they are part of gaming now on all consoles, from PC to PS4. In the last 3 years, how many games form all developers have come out with some form of micro transaction? I hope this does not happen, but as a business if makes since if they do since if it unfortunately becoming industry standard. So USAF F-16C block 50 would be the base model. You want Greece's capabilities? We got that for $. You want to fly Polish F-16? This package cost $ Additionally, most maps they make can have and F-16. PG as it is right now can have Oman, Bahrain and UAE. They do a European map, F-16 are there. South China sea, F-16 are there. :doh:Hope this does not happen but would not surprise me if it did. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 It would actually make sense to have a Block 30/32 for agressor F-16 to go along with the Nevada Map. And why not some ... advanced F-16 for the Middle East ? You just made me dream of à European map with EPAF F-16’s ... along with USAFE ones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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