Friedrich-4B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) So in 1944 they built 2948 gunsights. And in 1944 they built approx. 2160 Spitfire IX's. Thats more than enough sights for the Spits, and quite a few left over for other types. (Tempest/Typhoon) The Tempest wasn't equipped with the GGS until post-war; it was standardised for the II and VI, so there were plenty of GGS for the Mk IX plus spares: just to be clear on this, in March 1944 485(NZ) Squadron was equipped and trained on the GGS: the following pre-D-Day note deals with 2 TAF's 126, 127 & 132 "Airfields": In a reorganisation that was promulgated on 12 May "Airfields" became "Wings" in early May there were already 10 Spitfire IX squadrons fitted with the GGS, noting that 83 Group Support Unit (GSU) was taking steps to ensure all future Spitfire IXs would be delivered with the GGS installed rather than the GM II: 126 Airfield 401 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 411 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 412 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 127 Airfield 403 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 416 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 421 (RCAF) Squadron Spitfire IX 132 Airfield 66 Squadron Spitfire IX 331 (Norwegian) Squadron Spitfire IX 332 (Norwegian) Squadron Spitfire IX 485(NZ) Sqn was part of 84 Group's 135 Wing; if 83 Group was equipping Airfields, not individual squadrons, with GGS, its a safe bet that 84 Group was doing likewise: 135 Airfield 222 Squadron Spitfire IX 349 (Belgian) Squadron Spitfire IX 485 (RNZAF) Squadron Spitfire IX At least 12 squadrons already equipped with GGS by May = 240 Spitfire IXs, coinciding with the numbers of GGS produced in early 1944. February: 8 March: 110 April: 200 May: 250 30 Spitfire IX squadrons in 2 TAF, so over 1/3rd confirmed equipped with GGS by May. No doubt there are some who would like to believe that the rest of the Spitfires delivered to 2 TAF after May '44 were fitted with the old GM II, in spite of 83 Group's stipulation that all Spitfires delivered were to be equipped with GGS, and the remaining GGS units built were put into storage. :smilewink: Edited July 14, 2014 by Friedrich-4/B [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurfürst Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) So, only a out 1/3 in the 2nd TAF, and no Spitfire squadrons in the Englanc based ADGB (ex Fighter Command), no Spitfires elsewhere and no other Spitfire Marks involved, and no other aircraft types receiving the sight - if we can trust some unsourced and undated snippets thrown around. In any case, the showned 'sources' show it was a definite and atypical minority. Edited July 14, 2014 by Kurfürst http://www.kurfurst.org - The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Performance Resource Site Vezérünk a bátorság, Kísérőnk a szerencse! -Motto of the RHAF 101st 'Puma' Home Air Defense Fighter Regiment The Answer to the Ultimate Question of the K-4, the Universe, and Everything: Powerloading 550 HP / ton, 1593 having been made up to 31th March 1945, 314 K-4s were being operated in frontline service on 31 January 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich-4B Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) So, only a out 1/3 in the 2nd TAF, By early May 1944, that is, although there are those who would like to believe the rest of the GGS IIDs went into storage. :music_whistling: and no Spitfire squadrons in the Englanc based ADGB (ex Fighter Command), No real need for it because there were no Luftwaffe fighters anywhere near Britain in 1944, only the odd handful of night bombers, plus the V-1s. no Spitfires elsewhere and no other Spitfire Marks involved This thread is about how ED will configure the the Spitfire IX in 2 TAF service in 1944, so the subject of other theatres, or the Mk XIV using GGS has not been raised. In any case, the showned 'sources' show it was a definite and atypical minority. That's still a heck of a lot more Spitfires equipped with GGS, and a far higher percentage of operational, frontline aircraft than was ever achieved by the Luftwaffe with the atypical EZ42 a year later. Edited July 15, 2014 by Friedrich-4/B [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 and the XIV isn't being considered at this stage so this is a rather abstract discussion. Hood Check out VEAO's subsection.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrgud Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Sorry if that's being answered already, but WWII is not my primary interest so I don't check these forums often: Will there be two Spitfires available? One from the ED (Mk. IX) and one from the VEAO team (Mk. XIV)? If that is correct, it makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foul Ole Ron Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 That's correct though not sure why it doesn't make sense? They're going to be two fairly different planes what with the different engines and the Mk. XIV is going to be the low-backed, clipped wing version probably running at +21lbs boost. VEAO are starting off by making planes they have direct access to and the Mk. XIV is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 16, 2014 ED Team Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) As much as you guys love breaking these threads with all your facts and figures, chances are that ED will pick the parts for its aircraft place based on, whether or not it was actually used on that variant, how it compares to other aircraft in the sim (semi-balance), and of course documentation. SO we may see some hybrid versions, or variant options that maybe werent as common, seems during the war, there were lots of different variants, field upgrades, and pilot customizations... So you guys can get mad at each other, and and share all your numbers, but at the end of the day, it has little bearing on anything and just goes to stir the pot. At any rate, the topic of this thread is "Spitfire Aircraft Variants" lets try and keep it in that direction. If you want to talk 109s or Jugs (the aircraft) then open a new thread... Edited July 16, 2014 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 As much as you guys love breaking these threads with all your facts and figures, chances are that ED will pick the parts for its aircraft place based on, whether or not it was actually used on that variant, how it compares to other aircraft in the sim (semi-balance), and of course documentation. SO we may see some hybrid versions, or variant options that maybe werent as common, seems during the war, there were lots of different variants, field upgrades, and pilot customizations... So you guys can get mad at each other, and and share all your numbers, but at the end of the day, it has little bearing on anything and just goes to stir the pot. At any rate, the topic of this thread is "Spitfire Aircraft Variants" lets try and keep it in that direction. If you want to talk 109s or Jugs (the aircraft) then open a new thread... +1, there is already threads for those aircrafts. Whatever versions of planes we will finally got the game, i think its pretty safe to say all of those are so close to each other in performance that it will be again situation and the pilot that makes the difference. CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 16, 2014 ED Team Share Posted July 16, 2014 As I said before... I want to see 1v1 tournament of all you guys bragging on your favorite plane... talk is cheap... prove it in the sim when the time is right ;) Anyways... back to topic... Am I the only one that wants to see an early version Spit? I would love a I or II... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 As I said before... I want to see 1v1 tournament of all you guys bragging on your favorite plane... talk is cheap... prove it in the sim when the time is right ;) Anyways... back to topic... Am I the only one that wants to see an early version Spit? I would love a I or II... LOL we'll see :) Personally i've got overdose for early versions with CLOD (as good as it's now with TF) so for me it's refreshing to see all those late models. CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Early spits sure were beautiful, but then again I thought all merlin engine spits were... RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 As I said before... I want to see 1v1 tournament of all you guys bragging on your favorite plane... talk is cheap... prove it in the sim when the time is right ;) Anyways... back to topic... Am I the only one that wants to see an early version Spit? I would love a I or II... Oh you aren't alone sithspawn. The more spits the better! MkI and MkII are lovely machines, elegant and allegedly a joy to fly. The late marks turning into firebreathing animals with far more vices than the early marks. If I could have any aeroplane added to DCS it would be an F.21 spitfire with contra rotating props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich-4B Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Oh you aren't alone sithspawn. The more spits the better! MkI and MkII are lovely machines, elegant and allegedly a joy to fly. The late marks turning into firebreathing animals with far more vices than the early marks. If I could have any aeroplane added to DCS it would be an F.21 spitfire with contra rotating props. For something completely different it would be interesting to have ED model a PR Mk XI - then players could experiment with flying PR missions or flying with no propeller :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 A PR spit would be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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