JG-1_Vogel Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 So my current rig is coming on almost six years old now, haven't been flying in DCS for some time now because it frankly can't keep up on MP with any sort of respectable FPS so I'm saving up for a new build - time frame is about a year to save up all the appropriate funds unless I get a nice windfall from the tax man in April (very unlikely!) So, if you gents were to build a new rig (specifically with DCS in mind) what would you get to max it out in ultra? Currently I only play in 1080, with no plans to move to VR/multi-monitor set up. The most I would move to is 2k most likely. Also prefer Intel/Nvidia (current monitor has Gsync). Was also thinking of sticking with a 1080ti since it would seem the 2XXX series doesn't really give you that much extra bang for the vastly increased price? Was just fiddling around earlier and got an estimated price of aprox £2050 for the following? ASUS Z270-K (1151) Intel Core i7 7770k 4.2ghz 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DD4 (2400mhz) MSI GTX1080ti 500Gb Samsung SSD 2Tb Barracuda HDD Is the 32Gb OTT? Or would I be better going for 16Gb but higher mhz? Haven't built a PC in absolutely years (my current one was a custom config I put together on Overclockers.co.uk and they built it for me). The above setup is for another custom system they can do (lost my confidence in building my own tbh - scared of frying something). Would welcome feedback from you DCS vets who know how 2.5 behaves etc. Cheers :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The i7 9700k, i9 if you want multithreading but DCS doesn't support it, goes on sale in a couple weeks. Any 300 series motherboard will handle it. It OC's to 4.9 and 5.0 respectively from my understanding. You'd be better with one of them for the long run. 32GB of Ram for sure, I was rather amazed the difference it made when I installed it. Others will counter this but for me it was noticeable. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 To the OP - Why 7700K? Go for 9600k/9900K Z370/390. To Gladman - what did you notice? Im debating going from 16 to 32? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG-1_Vogel Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Switching to Z370/Coffee Lake CPU puts the price up by like £350 nearly on the configurator... Is it really worth the extra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If you're never going to consider VR (I think you should consider it), and you will not go beyond 1080 (I think you might), the config you stated should be fine. I would consider a 1TB SSD, but so long as you'll have Windows and DCS, 500GB will do. When you start adding in Office365, Photoshop etc, then 1TB makes more sense. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 To the OP - Why 7700K? Go for 9600k/9900K Z370/390. To Gladman - what did you notice? Im debating going from 16 to 32? Loading times and FPS went up with high number of asset missions in both single and multiplayer. Well worth it for what I do. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 You don't need a power supply? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn8ke_iis Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Was just fiddling around earlier and got an estimated price of aprox £2050 for the following? ASUS Z270-K (1151) Intel Core i7 7770k 4.2ghz 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DD4 (2400mhz) MSI GTX1080ti 500Gb Samsung SSD 2Tb Barracuda HDD Would welcome feedback from you DCS vets who know how 2.5 behaves etc. Cheers :thumbup: Looks good except for that price, OUCH! I really feel bad for DCS fans in the EU, Australia, overseas, etc. You guys pay such a high premium on computer components. This stuff is so much cheaper in the States. Seriously, for that cost (over $2600 US) you could almost fly here, buy all those components at my local Microcenter and it would still be cheaper. Cheaper still if ordered on NewEgg and Amazon. For you guys it's like buying diamonds from DeBeers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Was just fiddling around earlier and got an estimated price of aprox £2050 for the following? ASUS Z270-K (1151) Intel Core i7 7770k 4.2ghz 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DD4 (2400mhz) MSI GTX1080ti 500Gb Samsung SSD 2Tb Barracuda HDD Looks good except for that price, OUCH! I really feel bad for DCS fans in the EU, Australia, overseas, etc. You guys pay such a high premium on computer components. This stuff is so much cheaper in the States. Seriously, for that cost (over $2600 US) you could almost fly here, buy all those components at my local Microcenter and it would still be cheaper. Cheaper still if ordered on NewEgg and Amazon. For you guys it's like buying diamonds from DeBeers. That is a bit to much really, compared to the below. MOTHERBOARD Asus Strix Z370-F Gaming Motherboard CPU Intel CORE i7-8700K 3.70GHz COOLER Corsair H100i V2 Liquid Cooler RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3466 MHz VGA Asus Nvidia ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING 11GB SSD Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 SSD (Solid State Drive) HDD Seagate 3.5" 2TB Hard Disk Drive CASE InWin 303 Black RGB Mid Tower Gaming Case PSU Corsair RM750x 750W Power Supply Drive OS WINDOWS 10 HOME RETAIL ACCESSORIES InWin Aurora 3 Pack RGB LED 120mm Fans This is what I can get off the shelf here for that price $3799 AU or £2050 http://www.msy.com.au/viconline/mspec-gaming-pc/20667-battle-box-the-gamer-s-sunset-.html $3799 AU = $2703 US https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102381 Not sure what it's like in the UK? I would shop around and check a few other places. Edited October 10, 2018 by David OC i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I would not get 16GB but 32GB. The forum is full of pilots reporting the benfits. Adding another 16GB might be a PITA once you find out your 16gig wont pull the cart. The 8700k is a nice CPU and not as overpriced as a 9900k. Either way, I'd get an AMD and leave Intel aside, but that's another topic. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 No doubt the 9900k will be faster, if money is not an issue get that. However if you have a budget in mind, not only the CPU is more expensive but also the Z390 boards are at a premium and I don't trust the z370 boards VRM to be optimal for those beastly CPU's. So either get a 8700k or an AMD 2700X, even 2600x should be fine, and then get the biggest graphics card you can get. Other essentials are 32gb of RAM and at least a 512gb SSD for OS and DCS (these days a 1TB is the best option if you can afford it). [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I am about to do a new build, starting to gather some parts now. Already have EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra on order. I am going 9900k and Z390 MB ( EVGA Dark) as soon as both are available. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I would not get 16GB but 32GB. The forum is full of pilots reporting the benfits. Adding another 16GB might be a PITA once you find out your 16gig wont pull the cart. The 8700k is a nice CPU and not as overpriced as a 9900k. Either way, I'd get an AMD and leave Intel aside, but that's another topic. I think for the foreseeable future, thread speed and not # of core is going to be the bottleneck for DCS. So really, the fastest CPU (from 2018 and beyond) is what's going to matter *for* DCS. So 9900K or 8700K should perform about the same. I don't expect anything to change (vulkan or not) until late 2019. I used to upgrade every third CPU, but with VR and DCS, I've been on an annual upgrade to eek out that few precious FPS - it really matters in VR. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 For now, a fast cpu is beneficial, but with Vulcan (in many many years), the overhead will be relieved and the overclock will not be needed anymore. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 For now, a fast cpu is beneficial, but with Vulcan (in many many years), the overhead will be relieved and the overclock will not be needed anymore. I suppose overclocking will *always* help, but it may not be mandatory for great experience. But probably not for a few years, as you said. Hard to overhaul an engine while it's running. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 IF vulcan is implemented it will be beneficial, but I think it unlikely we will see it soon. There are many other topics ED seems to be working on. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greekbull Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 There is no doubt Intel is the way to go. ATM I don't think there will really be a difference in DCS between the 8700K, 9700K and the 9900K. When we get Vulkan API we will likely see the benefit though. At that point I'll jump to 9900K or if it's after 2019 I guess I'll be upgrading even more lol. I would also echo the sentiment that 32GB of RAM should be the recommended minimum if you want to play multiplayer no doubt. I went 64GB and don't regret it at all... AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPC T-50 Stick Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Well I just got a pre-order in with Amazon for the i9 9900k. Doing a complete new build here soon so wanted to go ahead and get it. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Well I just got a pre-order in with Amazon for the i9 9900k. Doing a complete new build here soon so wanted to go ahead and get it. Going to be a killer system!:thumbup: hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 hansangb, in the Vulcan API thread https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3592185&postcount=10 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3598990&postcount=56 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3600835&postcount=59 Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElCuco68 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Did you really say "No VR"? I'm guessing that you've never played DCS in VR. Asus ROG Maximus X Hero MB Intel i7-8700K 5.2 GHz delidded & lapped Corsair H100i CPU watercooler EVGA SuperNOVA 1200W P2 80+ Platinum PSU EVGA FTW3 watercooled GTX-1080Ti 32GB DDR4-3200 MHz RAM Two Toshiba XG5 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD's Various SSDs and HDDs, 24 terabytes 6 Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans in push/pull on CPU and GPU radiators. Windows 10 Pro 64, Oculus Rift CV1, TM Warthog throttle and flight stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 hansangb, in the Vulcan API thread https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3592185&postcount=10 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3598990&postcount=56 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3600835&postcount=59 Good info! Thanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 hansangb, in the Vulcan API thread https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3592185&postcount=10 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3598990&postcount=56 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3600835&postcount=59 No, I get it and follow that thread. The thing about any demanding software is that you are playing whack-a-mole with performance bottlenecks. Today, the use of Direct11 forces a bottleneck to draw things on the screen/VR. Vulkan will remove that overhead to a degree. Ironic since this gaming industry started to take off because everyone wrote custom drivers to do just that....go direct to hardware. But DCS isn't just about drawing things. It's a major component of it, but DCS still has to figure out *what* to draw, when to do it etc. So again, I stand by my comment that OC CPU is always better than regular CPU. Unless you only use NOTEPAD. If done right, there's no harm in OC"ing the CPU. There is a cost to consider, and that's why I said that vulkan will mean you man *not* need the monster rigs. As for timing, it's a complex piece of code with 3rd party devs. So I stand my my "we won't see it until next year, if that" If you think about the journey of moving to 2.5, you can see all the hiccups that caused delays. Some were reprioritizing because of WWII bailout. But going from one engine to another is time consuming. Basic framwork can be tested easily enough, it's all the content that will give ED heartburn. But I'm patient, my VR experience is wonderful and things will only get better. So I would be an ingrate if were to DEMAND anything from ED. I'll take it when it's ready. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 So my current rig is coming on almost six years old now, haven't been flying in DCS for some time now because it frankly can't keep up on MP with any sort of respectable FPS I find it difficult to believe that an i7-7700 + GTX1080Ti givers you such "poor" performance. Maybe consider reinstalling your OS and give the system a complete overhall? Regards, Django. | BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 | | I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case | | Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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