DCS WWII Rewards

Its for the map, and the higher levels the amount of people is less. They must feel its more manageable for the map and that amount of people.

If it just for the map why can we not have access to it at the lower tier level?

I can understand about the aircraft not being in the Alpha/Beta stages but not a terrain for us to fly over.

SD

I take it a refund is out of the picture? I'm incredibly disappointed and will never again pledge money for a DCS project. Even without all the drama of new management, I don't think I would've backed it with just these new "awards". I don't think I'll even keep "support buying" modules I'm not interested in any longer after this. The questions surrounding the money (not asking where it went/is), the new management, the drastically reduced awards, etc. I could've taken alone, but all of these things combined is just going, well, a lot further than too far by this stage.

I know it's not easy for ED, any of this whole spectacle, but I can't help feeling that no one forced them to go along with the WW2 project to begin with, and in hindsight I wish they hadn't. It's not about the money (I've spent large sums on hardware for DCS, so that's not the issue), it's about the trust. The constant delays, bugs, etc. is a price I was willing to pay. When the WW2 project started and ED chose to put their name on it by agreeing to it, I felt that the time tables were so optimistic there had to be a very good reason behind it. Now we're sitting here months after Beta testing should've started IIRC, and the only thing we've gotten is seeing the entire project apparently disintegrating a bit by the month.

I think many folks should take a hard look at themselves and maybe change how they view the whole DCS sim hobby in general... Clearly many folks are heavily invested in these modules and are killing themselves by following every step of the process... And when that process stumbles.. (some more than others) it is difficult to stay motivated/interested...

Maybe some folks need to not follow every step and just buy modules the way we used to before the advent of the Internet and forums.. Waiting until a module is released and buy the completed product at that time based on it's merits... The wait times will be the same as a module takes however long it takes to program, but the constant drama / pain of the "process" will not be endured..

And please don't misunderstand this post as an indictment of anyone as that is not the case.. I am simply saying that some folks may take these things a bit more seriously than maybe they should.. Those folks might want to change how they view these projects.. If for no other reason than their own stress level / Health!

@Scrim

So you would actually prefer DCS:WWII not being created at all? I'm not the greatest WWII-planes fan either (prefer modern jets), but I can't understand that.

At the expense of all that has come with it just so far? Yes, I'd definitely rather not have had the project at all to begin with. ED has suffered a huge PR loss from it, both in terms of regular customers losing all faith in them, and less regular customers just taking one look at what's happened and decided that there's no point getting very involved with DCS at all.

TL;DR. Yes, I'd very much like DCS:WW2 to happen. No, not if this is what comes with it.

I am not sure where you are seeing this huge PR loss... most comments have been on the positive side than on the negative...

You (read ED) often say it's only a minority of the customers visiting the forums and commenting, so one should not draw conclusions based on the opinions expressed on the forum.

But I guess that excuse is only used when it serves a purpose ;)

I've read discussions on a whole lot of others forums, and I wouldn't call the average post positive. A fair amount of people is still upset about the alpha removal, and the fact that ED have merged several backing levels in an unfair way.

I am not sure where you are seeing this huge PR loss... most comments have been on the positive side than on the negative...

maybe because not positive coments was deleted.

One thing I say: Nice move ED! Thank you! :-)

Don't beat on sith too much, we don't want him to switch his avatar again.

@ Scrim

I understand how it doesn't look good for any company to "partner" with a company that promises something, then ends up not delivering. I also feel ED is new to this whole kickstarter business. Yes, maybe ED jumped on board with RRG, not knowing how much money would be raised or how difficult it would be fulfilling the promises RPG made.

I personally only put in $40 (even though I don't care too much for WWII planes) just because I figured the worst that can happen is I loose $40. But if I get what they promised, I'd have 6 flyable DCS level planes to fly. I knew from the beginning it seemed a bit unrealistic, but I knew that going in. It was a gamble, like many other things in life.

If you are upset that the promises made were not fulfilled, I would suggest changing *your* habits and not taking chances on crowd-funded projects. Why get upset at ED for trying to correct something that they themselves didn't know was going to happen. At least they are trying to make amends.

EDIT: RRG, fixed thanks ;)

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RRG. RPG = rocket propelled grenade.:)

yes I thought that was a fruedian slip. RPG they went boom.

A big thanks to ED for stepping in and also for listening to our concerns over choice of planes, It is much appreciated by a lot of us, You can't please all the people but some really need to look at themselves and wind their necks in.

Nothing a few beers and, my 2 year old daughter running around the house yelling "sabot" because I was doing some recordings the other day, wont fix...

My three year old would run around the house screaming "Altitude, Altitude, pull up, pull up" and my wife would give me the evil eye. She knew exactly where he got that from ...

The only serious cause for concern in this matter is that E.D. can financially survive their very generous efforts to save a difficult situation which was clearly not of their making. Even their original proposal was an admirable attempt to accommodate the flight sim community who had chosen to fund the project. (as a $40 backer who already has the P.51 I was more than happy to get the Dora-9 as a GIFT from E.D. who owed me nothing at all!). The Biggest "reward", which we are all getting, is the continued development of this wonderfully ambitious product by, perhaps, the best folk in the business when it comes to top-quality flight-sims! Just look, again, at the Dora Manual. I don't doubt that all the aircraft that will follow will be of this incredibly high standard and what could be greater for any serious flight-sim enthusiast? I, for one, had my eyes opened as to the enormous costs involved in a project such as this, and now realise that the original promised "rewards" were totally unsustainable, if not totally ridiculous (however they might have been intended). I believe that E.D. are acting in a very decent and honorable way in offering what they have and deserve, in turn, a little gratitude and a lot of support from the "backers", in particular.

There will always be a tiny minority who will not miss a chance to "throw their toys out of their cots" no matter what is done to accommodate them, but I can only hope that E.D. realise how much their actions are appreciated by a grateful community.

This. Nothing to add to that....

These are great news. Thank you, ED, you did the right thing. I'll get the 2 planes of my choosing, and I'll buy the rest when they come out :D

Uh... I don't understand. When I pledged on the Kickstarter for 40$ it said I get all aircraft. Not two... how is this good news?

You probably should catch up on all the news first.

 

RRG is gone... ED is continuing the project. The KS had to be restructured to be financially viable.

And that makes it okay?