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Old 05-30-2017, 08:59 PM   #1
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Default 21:9 1440p 200Hz vs 16:9 4k 144Hz?

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming...s-up-to-200hz/


Which is better for DCS, having more horizontal view and zooming in more to be able to read the gauges and displays, or having a limited horizontal view, but staying zoomed out because it's easier to read the gauges and see threats?


Performance wise, I think the next gen CPUs and GPUs will be able to render DCS at the maximum refresh rates, so this is purely a gameplay question.
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:25 PM   #2
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you won't be running DCS at 144+ fps and 4K any time soon, not within the next few generations, if you wanna make use of 100+ fps, you're better off getting a G-sync 1440p monitor...

wider is good too, but you're fooling yourself if you think anything will be able to run 4k at a steady 144fps any time in the next few years at least...
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you won't be running DCS at 144+ fps and 4K any time soon, not within the next few generations, if you wanna make use of 100+ fps, you're better off getting a G-sync 1440p monitor...

wider is good too, but you're fooling yourself if you think anything will be able to run 4k at a steady 144fps any time in the next few years at least...
Are you referring to the specs in your signature?

Why wouldn't an i9 7920x w/ Titan Xp in SLI be able to run DCS in 4k?

GTA5 runs over 100fps easy on 4k with all settings maxed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82kXx82t9C8



I'm specifically asking regarding gameplay. Is it easier to stay zoomed-out in 4k? If I can stay zoomed out and still read the gauges, then horizontal real estate isn't really necessary then, especially if I have to zoom in on 1440p, which narrows the FOV anyways.
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you won't be running DCS at 144+ fps and 4K any time soon, not within the next few generations, if you wanna make use of 100+ fps, you're better off getting a G-sync 1440p monitor...

wider is good too, but you're fooling yourself if you think anything will be able to run 4k at a steady 144fps any time in the next few years at least...
1080 and in particular the recent gtx 1080ti release are very much capable of 4k gaming.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/nvidia...locking-page-2

the whole "4k gaming isn't yet possible" is a meme from 1-2 graphic cards generations ago. is it expensive ( ie needing high end - enthusiast grade card) yes, but its now becoming viable.

besides given the cycle of graphics cards the gtx 2000s series are only a few months away. ( though admittedly its not the same huge leap the pascals were over maxwell, and just a refresh)
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1080 and in particular the recent gtx 1080ti release are very much capable of 4k gaming.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/nvidia...locking-page-2

the whole "4k gaming isn't yet possible" is a meme from 1-2 graphic cards generations ago. is it expensive ( ie needing high end - enthusiast grade card) yes, but its now becoming viable.

besides given the cycle of graphics cards the gtx 2000s series are only a few months away. ( though admittedly its not the same huge leap the pascals were over maxwell, and just a refresh)
he's talking about getting a 200hz (200 fps) at 1440p, not doable in new games or 144hz at 4K not doable in new games either....

sure you can get 60 fps at 4K, but over twice that is impossible and won't be possible for a long time... unless you're playing like half-life 2, dota, team fortress 2, games like them...

I just got a 1080ti today, and i'm getting between 70 and 150 fps in dcs at 1440p, and im not using near max settings. i have a 144hz monitor.

emphasis on 144 to 200 fps at 1440p and higher

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I doubt so either, so I wish it was possible.

Max fps I ever get is somewhere around 192fps, maybe there is cap locking it, I dunno.

That new Inetl i9 would have to run significantly! faster than 5G to deliver enough raw information to the card under any circumstances, with ONE core at hand. I highly doubt this, much more than the GPU needed, those will eventually be powerfull enough to make it happen, I just dont see neither Intel nor AMD advertising a 8GHz CPU anytime soon, maybe never.

That new Asus screen will come in 4th quarter 2017, till then Vega and the new 2xxx cards will likely be widely available, plus the i9 and maybe a new Ryzen/Kyzen CPU....we will see who's right.

I might do the test and crank it to 5.2G and lower res to minimum and see how many fps I can get in Ka-50, A-10C or Mi-8. Those airframes put like twice the load on the ONE core than any WWII airframe or simple FC3 modules.
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he's talking about getting a 200hz (200 fps) at 1440p, not doable in new games or 144hz at 4K not doable in new games either....

sure you can get 60 fps at 4K, but over twice that is impossible and won't be possible for a long time... unless you're playing like half-life 2, dota, team fortress 2, games like them...

I just got a 1080ti today, and i'm getting between 70 and 150 fps in dcs at 1440p, and im not using near max settings. i have a 144hz monitor.

emphasis on 144 to 200 fps at 1440p and higher

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but you dont need 144hz though. DCS is not a arcade FPS shooter. TBH past 60 fps you really dont notice a difference ( at least for me), evne in other games. I myself have a 144hz but TBH i find that i only need to have 15HZ - 20 HZ of leeway for stuttering or occasional dop, so i find myself down clocking the refresh rate settings to 85. which in any case is still more than good enough even for other games where hardware allows me to make use of 85 HZ or more with minimal or no fps drop
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With my new 4K monitor at 60hz and adaptative sync on in nvidia control panel i get really smooth gameplay with excellente Fov, no need to zoom in ever and Mfds are perfectly managable also without zooming in them, i think i have found my sweet spot, DCS 2.1 really shines in this new configuration. I come from a triple display and SLI 780ti which was nice but not so smooth like now, always microstutters.
IMHO i think in a flight sim 60hz is good enough and what we need is maximum view real estate, for keeping true total awareness, for not spending loads of time zooming in Mfds, for being able to look to the ground and the cabin at the same time etc.. many of these i have acomplished with the 43" 4k monitor (i tried overclocking the monitor and got to 63hz) just left it at default, not worth it.
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but you dont need 144hz though. DCS is not a arcade FPS shooter. TBH past 60 fps you really dont notice a difference ( at least for me), evne in other games. I myself have a 144hz but TBH i find that i only need to have 15HZ - 20 HZ of leeway for stuttering or occasional dop, so i find myself down clocking the refresh rate settings to 85. which in any case is still more than good enough even for other games where hardware allows me to make use of 85 HZ or more with minimal or no fps drop

I honestly dont think so and dont "feel" so when playing games.

Take a Mach-1 Low Level Flight, do it with 30, 60, 90 and 120 fps, then with 185 fps.

If you dont see a difference then imho you dont want to see it.

Same and even more pronounced with Helicopters, below 60fps hovering is a lot harder than with as much as possible fps, say 80-120 fps.


Then move to mindcraft and run through a tunnel with 200fps, if you still dont see the difference you may consult a doc and have your eyes checked. That is no insult, by far not, I am not that kind of guy. It's a statement that I have shown to more than a few persons, including my son who always said his 45-60 fps on his aging machine are PLENTY....until he saw my new rig back then. Ever since he's more than convinced by facts.
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