DCS: P-47D-30 Discussion

Bah. Gimme the bubbletop any time. You can bloody see yer six as well.

When the 56th got their first bubble top, Zemke, the group C.O. grabbed the first one. The next three went to the squadron C.O.'s, including Gabreski. That has to tell you something. Look, you may like the razorback because of the way it looks, but the D-25's were preferred by the men who knew. And they had longer range, besides.

Any ED staff tell us when P-47 Pre-Order will pop-up?

I asked Newy on the discord this morning and he said theres no info they are ready to give out publicly yet so I wouldnt count on hearing anything for another week or two.

Or P-51H

I would go with P-51A Alison engine unit, B/C has same v-1650 engine.

Not exactly the same; the Mustang MkI/P-51/P-51A all flew with Allison V-1710s with a single supercharger, while the P-51H used a V-1650-9 Packard Merlin (which would have been much improved from the earlier examples used in the B/C a year earlier). But the Allison powered versions are reputed to be much 'sweeter' handling than the Merlin versions because that was the engine the airframe was designed for.

I would like to see a B/C with a Malcolm hood, though; I've read more than one ace's memoirs stating flat out that it gave better vision at critical angles and was a steadier gun platform because of the higher profile. The numbers of razorback Mustangs still operating several months after the introduction of the D/K model in May '44, often with the fin fillet mod would seem to bear this out.

cheers

horseback

Are you excited about Thunderbolt?

Not exactly the same; the Mustang MkI/P-51/P-51A all flew with Allison V-1710s with a single supercharger, while the P-51H used a V-1650-9 Packard Merlin (which would have been much improved from the earlier examples used in the B/C a year earlier). But the Allison powered versions are reputed to be much 'sweeter' handling than the Merlin versions because that was the engine the airframe was designed for.

 

I would like to see a B/C with a Malcolm hood, though; I've read more than one ace's memoirs stating flat out that it gave better vision at critical angles and was a steadier gun platform because of the higher profile. The numbers of razorback Mustangs still operating several months after the introduction of the D/K model in May '44, often with the fin fillet mod would seem to bear this out.

 

cheers

 

horseback

I had in mind that P-51D which we have now in game uses same engine as B/C -7, my interest in B or C is very low it would be almost copy paste the D, A is quite a different plane.

I pick up P-51A because it would introduce some change in engine.

I know that H used -9

Are you excited about Thunderbolt?

Guy who put music in this video just did crime IMHO

The B/C is a little faster, turns a little better and would be a good excuse to get a more representative ETO mustang since the D-25 they gave us was just a 3d model change and nothing else.

Guy who put music in this video just did crime IMHO

Here is a longer one with better music.

What type of prop will we have? Any info about it? Yeah, I know - Curtiss Electric, but which exactly? I hope it'll be 12'2 for higher speed, rather than climb

According to released screenshots, propeller is Curtiss-Electric 13'1'' paddle blade.

That is correct for D-30 model.

Isn't this 12'2 prop a thin blade type ?

Iirc, paddle blade will be faster in climb and in level flight too.

According to released screenshots, propeller is Curtiss-Electric 13'1'' paddle blade.

That is correct for D-30 model.

Couldn't find any, link or screenshot please

Isn't this 12'2 prop a thin blade type ?

Iirc, paddle blade will be faster in climb and in level flight too.

Nope. Big bladed prop needs more power to spin it.

You know that resource, don't you.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p-47.html

Check this

What I've just found!

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/9125/files/List_of_Propellers_and_Governors_for_Service_Aircraft_1945_wwii.pdf

From what I read the Paddle prop is only really a D model thing and the test you linked is for a P-47B...?

The paddle blade prop is the 13 ft one IIRC. The Curtiss electric 12.2ft prop was only for P-47Gs built by Curtiss-Wright from what I've read. Edit: nvm misread something. 12.2ft was the original prop, which went onto the Gs as well.

DCS P-47 WIP picture

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/572/

It looks like propeller on foto bellow (at least to me), Curtiss-Electric 13'0" (some sources claim 13'1'') paddle blade symmetrical propeler.

You asked for this, this one was used up to D-16 model. EDIT: my fault correct is "up to D-21 model!!!"

CE paddle blade assymetrical, used on D-30 too, 12'0 are visible behind.

@saburo great photos; helps to clear the thing, thx!

The question is now this: R. Johnson in his book talks about "new propeller with broader blades" that was retrofitted to their Jugs and that helped a lot in vertical manoeuvres. What do you think, did he talk about the symetrical 13" CE or the asymetrical CE prop?

Well, thank you for the internet and youtube :D

"new propeller with broader blades" were all three new propellers, HS and both CE, symmetrical and asymmetrical.

R. Johnson's D-21 was retrofited with CE symmetrical.

last 10sec. from video :)

and one picture R. Johnson and his plane

Very nice and clear picture!

Looks like we can expect the jug with the outfit for the best possible performance :thumbup:

Can you see how wrong those props looks from side on those distant P-47's omg :(.

Those props are damaged they are at beyond minimal pitch atitude. This hurts my eyes so much.

Prop tips should be thin and get thicker going to the prop base.

Looks a little like revers thrust props, did p-47 had something like this ?

All WIP pictures show blade setting for oposit propeller rotation...

But, they are still WIP, so we will see when P-47 will be release.

No reverse thrusts propeller for standard P-47.

(could be tested, who knows?)

All WIP pictures show blade setting for oposit propeller rotation...

 

But, they are still WIP, so we will see when P-47 will be release.

 

No reverse thrusts propeller for standard P-47.

(could be tested, who knows?)

It is not WIP issue, all props in DCS looks like this. Only client model is done properly but other planes aren't. But who cares about it when you don't see your own prop from side :P It always hurts me when i see other props, when sitting on the ground or flying formation.

@saburo great photos; helps to clear the thing, thx!

The question is now this: R. Johnson in his book talks about "new propeller with broader blades" that was retrofitted to their Jugs and that helped a lot in vertical manoeuvres. What do you think, did he talk about the symetrical 13" CE or the asymetrical CE prop?

DCS P-47 WIP picture

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/screenshots/572/

 

It looks like propeller on foto bellow (at least to me), Curtiss-Electric 13'0" (some sources claim 13'1'') paddle blade symmetrical propeler.

 

You asked for this, this one was used up to D-16 model. EDIT: my fault correct is "up to D-21 model!!!"

 

CE paddle blade assymetrical, used on D-30 too, 12'0 are visible behind.

Very nice and clear picture!

Looks like we can expect the jug with the outfit for the best possible performance :thumbup:

There was no Asymmetrical C.E. Prop. The Asymmetrical prop is the A.O. Smith.

What the D-30 in-game has is the 13' Curtis Electric (from the lookes of it). For best Possible performance we would need the Hamilton prop but that was only fitted to the D-22, 25, and 27.

Well, if you wanna be soooo accurate, you should use term Curtiss Electric propeller assembly with A.O. Smith blades.

Simply C.E. assymetrical, for brief info, more than eough.

Well, if you wanna be soooo accurate, you should use term Curtiss Electric propeller assembly with A.O. Smith blades.

 

Simply C.E. assymetrical, for brief info, more than eough.

It's still not a C.E. even though they used the same hub assembly.