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Old 11-30-2019, 08:11 AM   #11
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The full story is this: Before Viggen was released there was quite many that asked if we could make it an option so that not all rockets where launched at the same time. I believe the practice rockets IRL Viggen has this feature. We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves. I haven't really seen many use it post-release either but I might be wrong. I feel that if adding the option to drop individual bombs is a very wanted feature I might add it in, but I believe it would work even less well than the multi-shot rocket option.
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Old 11-30-2019, 09:18 AM   #12
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The full story is this: Before Viggen was released there was quite many that asked if we could make it an option so that not all rockets where launched at the same time. I believe the practice rockets IRL Viggen has this feature. We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves. I haven't really seen many use it post-release either but I might be wrong. I feel that if adding the option to drop individual bombs is a very wanted feature I might add it in, but I believe it would work even less well than the multi-shot rocket option.
To me the question would be if the real Viggen had that option. If yes then it should be added just for realism if no then that's what it is and there is no way to just drop single bombs.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:49 PM   #13
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The full story is this: Before Viggen was released there was quite many that asked if we could make it an option so that not all rockets where launched at the same time. I believe the practice rockets IRL Viggen has this feature. We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves. I haven't really seen many use it post-release either but I might be wrong. I feel that if adding the option to drop individual bombs is a very wanted feature I might add it in, but I believe it would work even less well than the multi-shot rocket option.
I would vote 100% for us to be able to use singel bombs or 4 bombs intervall. It must have been a reality at some point. Its just wierd to always drop all bombs. And it makes the Viggen less useful in modern multiplayer servers. If we could drop singel bombs we could atleast use the viggen in a limited CAS roll. And would make the Viggen even more fun. Atleast for me!

So you have my support! :-)
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Old 12-03-2019, 01:15 AM   #14
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We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves.
I personally think it will be the same case with individual bomb releases. I personally have no desire for it, but I support options for other users (so long as realistic settings are maintained).
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Its just wierd to always drop all bombs.
You'll learn to appreciate it and it really changes your tactics (and targets). The Viggen has a certain way it wants to be flown, and IMVHO "one pass" is a part of that philosophy.
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And it makes the Viggen less useful in modern multiplayer servers.
That's a limitation of mission design, not so much on the part of HB/SAAB. Check out the "Growling Sidewinder Open Conflict" server, they have Interdiction targets well suited for the Viggen attack profile, and an all bombs salvo release.
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viggen in a limited CAS roll
Check out RB-05A, RB75, ARAK M/70B, AKAN M/55, and just taking either a single 4 pack or 8x M/71's for CAS work. Viggen already has a limited CAS role, not sure how helpful individual bomb releases are.


Still always open to more features/options
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:21 AM   #15
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The full story is this: Before Viggen was released there was quite many that asked if we could make it an option so that not all rockets where launched at the same time. I believe the practice rockets IRL Viggen has this feature. We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves. I haven't really seen many use it post-release either but I might be wrong. I feel that if adding the option to drop individual bombs is a very wanted feature I might add it in, but I believe it would work even less well than the multi-shot rocket option.
I'm 100% against this, unless there is any evidence that this was actually possible IRL which I doubt it was. We shouldn't have fantasy features in our DCS aircraft, just to make them suitable to the typical CAS related DCS MP mission...
How about implementing actual real life features that are still missing (IR FRAMSTEGN functionality, RAT, ...) instead of implementing functions that to the best of our knowledge have never existed IRL?

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I would vote 100% for us to be able to use singel bombs or 4 bombs intervall. It must have been a reality at some point. Its just wierd to always drop all bombs. And it makes the Viggen less useful in modern multiplayer servers. If we could drop singel bombs we could atleast use the viggen in a limited CAS roll. And would make the Viggen even more fun. Atleast for me!
Why is this weird??
Again: The Viggen is not a CAS aircraft! It was designed for interdiction strikes which do not need the ability to drop single bombs, because you only pass over the target once and then GTFO or you will be killed by the now alerted defenders. The Viggen IRL was not designed for modern multiplayer servers either...
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:46 AM   #16
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Nevermind the fact that flinging Mavs at random groups of tanks in Caucasus is not CAS...if you do want to do that mission in the Viggen, you already have options. You can either carry RB-05s and gunpods, or RB-75s. Both work far better than unguided bombs or rockets for that role.
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Nevermind the fact that flinging Mavs at random groups of tanks in Caucasus is not CAS...if you do want to do that mission in the Viggen, you already have options. You can either carry RB-05s and gunpods, or RB-75s. Both work far better than unguided bombs or rockets for that role.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:58 AM   #18
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The full story is this: Before Viggen was released there was quite many that asked if we could make it an option so that not all rockets where launched at the same time. I believe the practice rockets IRL Viggen has this feature. We implemented it and I tried it, like once, and found that it was neither very effective or fun to use the rockets this way (thats my opinion at least). So this was a popular request before users actually got their hands on the module and could try it out for themselves. I haven't really seen many use it post-release either but I might be wrong. I feel that if adding the option to drop individual bombs is a very wanted feature I might add it in, but I believe it would work even less well than the multi-shot rocket option.
Wait, does that mean the way the ARAK rockets are implemented currently is not realistic and they could only be fired all at once IRL? If so, this realistic setting should be the default and the "unrealistic option" should be selectable in the settings. Same for bombs IMHO.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:41 AM   #19
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Wait, does that mean the way the ARAK rockets are implemented currently is not realistic and they could only be fired all at once IRL? If so, this realistic setting should be the default and the "unrealistic option" should be selectable in the settings. Same for bombs IMHO.
Yes, from all the real life documentation known to us it was only possible to fire live rounds in salvos. Training rockets were apparently set up differently (although I haven't seen any hard evidence for that either), as it is much more convienient for target practice to fire them individually, so you don't have to RTB to rearm after each practice shot.
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