parxuk Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Considering upgrading current rig (listed in signature) for the following: Asus GD30 Core i5-7400 16GB 2TB + 256GB SSD GeForce GTX 1070 Windows 10 Gaming Desktop in Black and White GD30CI-UK003T https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/asus-gd30-core-i5-7400-16gb-2tb-256gb-ssd-geforce-gtx-1070-windows-10-gam-gd30ci-uk003t/version.asp?tduid=1155c52ea760401fbb511efdf804cdde&utm_source=digidip+UK_2142931&utm_medium=tradedoubler It retails around £1400 usually, but is currently available for £799. Bearing in mind I would happily not spend £800, am I going to see a night and day upgrade with this rig, or should I just spend £250ish on a 1060 6gb (2nd hand)? Thx Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flow Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 CPU seems to have the same performance as your actual computer. Moreover, DCS is more about MHz than threads, so your overclocked 2500k might even do better than a non overclocked 7400 : http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500K/3886vs619 Just get a 1060 for your computer and call it a day IMO. i7 7700k • 1080Ti • 32GB @ 3200 MHz • 525GB M.2 • Oculus Rift Warthog + Pro Flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxuk Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 CPU seems to have the same performance as your actual computer. Moreover, DCS is more about MHz than threads, so your overclocked 2500k might even do better than a non overclocked 7400 : http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500K/3886vs619 Just get a 1060 for your computer and call it a day IMO. Flow - Thx, that was pretty much what I was thinking. Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Or a 1070. Resolution? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxuk Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 My resolution is 3200 x 1080, as I have a 1920 x 1080 main monitor and 1280 x 1024 monitor that I have an MFD on. Does the additional MFD badly affect performance? Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingTexan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Compared to the GTX560TI you'll def see a big change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxuk Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Compared to the GTX560TI you'll def see a big change. Appreciate my GFX is a real weak point in my platform, but is spending £800 to end up with a slower processor a good idea, or i'm just better off keeping my pltform and upgrading only the GFX? The new processor (which cant be overclocked) only clocks at 3GHz and mine is currently at 4.8. Would the fact its a newer generation offer me any other advantages, or for DCS its all down to speed, and the faster the better? Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'd get a 10x0 GPU and keep your rig, you wont win anything between those 2 CPU's but loose money. Later on, change cpu-mobo-ram when prices are better. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'd get a 10x0 GPU and keep your rig, you wont win anything between those 2 CPU's but loose money. Later on, change cpu-mobo-ram when prices are better. Bit is correct. A new GPU will give you a noticeable boost in performance and will be a far better use of your cash. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxuk Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Thanks all for you input, much appreicated. I will juest upgrade the GFX and leave it at that. Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FragBum Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yep agree, maybe even aim a little higher for GPU perhaps 1070Ti especially if your considering VR Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 :thumbup: for a Ti Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remi Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just wait for the next gen right around the corner. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Just wait for the next gen right around the corner. July announce date and questionable availability is hardly "around the corner". I don't expect next gen GPUs to be available until late Q4 2018, Q1 2019 is more like it. My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remi Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 July announce date and questionable availability is hardly "around the corner". I don't expect next gen GPUs to be available until late Q4 2018, Q1 2019 is more like it. On what basis do you make your statement? Next gen tech is literally months away. Keep in mind Pascal is already 2 years old. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 On what basis do you make your statement? Next gen tech is literally months away. Keep in mind Pascal is already 2 years old.I base my statement on experience building PCs since early 90s and current GPU market situation. Yes, it's months away. So is Q4 18. I suspect there will be shortages of cards and getting one close to msrp is going to be a challenge should they come out in 2018. Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remi Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I base my statement on experience building PCs since early 90s and current GPU market situation. Yes, it's months away. So is Q4 18. I suspect there will be shortages of cards and getting one close to msrp is going to be a challenge should they come out in 2018. Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk Good luck getting a card for MSRP right now. At least in the future, Nvidia has committed to selling more cards directly to consumer gamers instead of miners. I think chances are better to get MSRP instead of over MSRP. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Good luck getting a card for MSRP right now. At least in the future, Nvidia has committed to selling more cards directly to consumer gamers instead of miners. I think chances are better to get MSRP instead of over MSRP. I don't see how they can distinguish between miners and gamers easily. I hope you are right and we will see the cards sooner than later. The current situation cannot go on. Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remi Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I don't see how they can distinguish between miners and gamers easily. I hope you are right and we will see the cards sooner than later. The current situation cannot go on. Sent from my SM-N920C using Tapatalk Probably user registration. If you're trying to buy 5 cards directly from manufacturer, they won't allow it, unlike the main distributors that sell whatever quantity an individual orders. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon200 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Good luck getting a card for MSRP right now. At least in the future, Nvidia has committed to selling more cards directly to consumer gamers instead of miners. I think chances are better to get MSRP instead of over MSRP. Have you checked GPU prices in the last few days? I just purchased a new MSI (Nvidia) GTX 1070 Armor 8Gb OC for $639 USD on Amazon this morning. Ten days ago the same card was $9xx. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GXOX2BU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Asus ROG Maximus Hero Z690-E, i9-13900KF, RTX 4090, Trident Z Neo 64Gb (4x16) DDR5 6600 C32, EVO 980 Pro 2Tb M.2 Nvme SSD, HP Reverb G2, VKB Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro, MFG Crosswind pedals, Virpil MongoosT-50 throttle, Corsair 7000D Airflow Case, 1200W Asus Platinum G+ PSU, Win10 Pro 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remi Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Have you checked GPU prices in the last few days? I just purchased a new MSI (Nvidia) GTX 1070 Armor 8Gb OC for $639 USD on Amazon this morning. Ten days ago the same card was $9xx. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GXOX2BU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Probably decreased demand because next gen tech is almost out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon200 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 That may well be but I have a SLI bridge for my existing 1070 for when DCS gets that ability and should get an additional boost with Vulkan as I understand it. Getting off topic here. Gonna stop before I get yelled at. haha Asus ROG Maximus Hero Z690-E, i9-13900KF, RTX 4090, Trident Z Neo 64Gb (4x16) DDR5 6600 C32, EVO 980 Pro 2Tb M.2 Nvme SSD, HP Reverb G2, VKB Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro, MFG Crosswind pedals, Virpil MongoosT-50 throttle, Corsair 7000D Airflow Case, 1200W Asus Platinum G+ PSU, Win10 Pro 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 That may well be but I have a SLI bridge for my existing 1070 for when DCS gets that ability and should get an additional boost with Vulkan as I understand it. Getting off topic here. Gonna stop before I get yelled at. haha Don't... Ever... Count... On DCS ever supporting anything. This Vulkan talk we are all hearing may take years and a couple of GPU generations. My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Don't... Ever... Count... On DCS ever supporting anything. This Vulkan talk we are all hearing may take years and a couple of GPU generations. 100% Agree!!! i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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