P-51 Turning?

For those who think the K4 out turns the P-51?

Have you watched this?

For those who think the K4 out turns the P-51?

 

Have you watched this?

 

:lol::lol::lol: This is AI, you can clearly see the pattern of flying and the stuttering of the plane just before he got shot

so well done, he beat an AI 109 with idk what skill level...

very unlikely to see this in mp against a human

(even stated in the comments)

If you know what you're doing its possible to out turn a K4 at any airspeed in the Mustang (including online). At least half of my Mustang victories for April were out turning K4's at airspeeds around 200 Mph IAS.

If you know what you're doing its possible to out turn a K4 at any airspeed in the Mustang (including online). At least half of my Mustang victories for April were out turning K4's at airspeeds around 200 Mph IAS.

It mostly depends on the P-51's fuel state. If you artificially remove fuel from the wing tanks before takeoff the P-51 turns very well.

But with the 109's climb and acceleration it should still kick the P-51's ass 1 on 1.

It mostly depends on the P-51's fuel state. If you artificially remove fuel from the wing tanks before takeoff the P-51 turns very well.

My standard mission fuel quantity when flying online (Burning Skies) is 135 Gallons. It all depends on the pilot.

:lol::lol::lol: This is AI, you can clearly see the pattern of flying and the stuttering of the plane just before he got shot

 

so well done, he beat an AI 109 with idk what skill level...

 

very unlikely to see this in mp against a human

 

(even stated in the comments)

You're missing the whole point of the video.

I know what the comments said and I know it was an easy AI.

The point of the video is to show how to fight a 109 in a perfect world where the enemy always use the same flying pattern, no real evasive maneuver. with those things, a human can outturn it of course as is it possible for a human player outturning a human 109 under certain conditions

You're missing the whole point of the video.

 

I know what the comments said and I know it was an easy AI.

Please clarify the "point". Cause, I missed it.

The point being the P-51 doesn't turn as bad as most claim. I'm the last one that would ever turn fight any plane. Even if was the best one to do it in.

I keep reading how good the K4 is even out turning the Mustang. It does, but maybe not in turning. Of course, no two good human pilots would fight like the video. Call it a turning test.

The point being the P-51 doesn't turn as bad as most claim. I'm the last one that would ever turn fight any plane. Even if was the best one to do it in.

I keep reading how good the K4 is even out turning the Mustang. It is, but maybe not in turning. Of course, no two good human pilots would fight like the video. Call it a turning test.

If I would do a turning test, then not against an AI who isn't even using the correct FM...

And as said, there are conditions where the Mustang outturns the 109, but also some conditions where it gets outmaneuvered by the 109

My standard mission fuel quantity when flying online (Burning Skies) is 135 Gallons. It all depends on the pilot.

That's about 32% assuming 419 gallons max internal fuel.

It all depends on the pilot, indeed! :music_whistling:

If I would do a turning test, then not against an AI who isn't even using the correct FM...

 

And as said, there are conditions where the Mustang outturns the 109, but also some conditions where it gets outmaneuvered by the 109

I'd bet anything some guys are getting out turned by easy AI K4's.

The video shows they shouldn't be.

That's about 32% assuming 419 gallons max internal fuel.

 

It all depends on the pilot, indeed! :music_whistling:

419 gallons internal fuel? I'm not sure what the hell kind of P-51D you're flying.

92+92+85 = 269

135/269 = 50%, which is comparable to the fuel they would have had in the A/C while engaged over the low countries/NW Germany while operating from England. Min Fuel for missions to Berlin was approx 160 Gallons. I think 135 Gallons is reasonable when the two airfields on Burning Skies are only 25 Miles apart. Thats not even considering that nearly all the top Luftwaffe pilots de-fuel to 70% (which I dont have a problem with, its realistic along the same lines as de-fueling the Mustang).

In that video the AI was set to high if I remember correctly. (Not 100% sure but I usually don't mess with the AI setting much)

I think I had the regular amount of fuel that is default in the mustang, which is full wing tanks.

In that video the AI was set to high if I remember correctly. (Not 100% sure but I usually don't mess with the AI setting much)

I think I had the regular amount of fuel that is default in the mustang, which is full wing tanks.

Glad you found this. Ever get away with that online?

I must have looked at the wrong figure! Next time just tell me the %, please.

Glad you found this. Ever get away with that online?

Lol no...

The only decent hits I've gotten on 109s were when i joined a fight that was already happening.

That being said, I haven't done a ton of flying online in the mustang.

I do however, think I found a sweet spot for turning in the vid because the AI had been out turning me before...

LOL.......I was wondering if you lived online trying it. Not the best tactic. :)

I must have looked at the wrong figure! Next time just tell me the %, please.

P-38J & L each had ~420 gal. internal; that's where you got that number.

I may be partly to blame for your error; because my expertise was in P-38 and not P-51, I've several times used the P-38's fuel figures to demonstrate points about percentages, range, etc., during discussions on the P-51 (the fuel capacity of which I don't have memorized).

Edit: I meant that I'd used the P-38 and its fuel figures as examples in those discussions, not that I incorrectly gave P-38 figures for the P-51 during those discussion.