DCS: F-16CM Block 50 by EDSA Discussion Thread

Congrats to Wags and ED! I've been waiting some time for this...

That would be great, but the F-16 is far from being finished. Release is still half a year away and that will only be the early access release.

 

I guess our beloved Phantom will have to wait for quiet some time :(

They can at least start 3D modeling, the F-16 looks beautifully finished already.

Also you can add a couple of years to the real release date of the F-16, people here seem to forget that the early access will be a 30% finished product. I can't wait for it too, just to contemplate that overhype to die a couple of weeks later, just like the F-14 :P

Will the Hades Bomb make it into DCS for the Viper?? :D

Haha, I really hope so, in addition to the "fine city" of Bilyad (PG map will probably be reopened for modifications soon) :thumbup:

Modda

I am spitting my cards one by one at this page now. What am I doing wrong? Why is there no list of F-16C in my modules? Is something wrong with your E-shop fables?

Does/will the F-16 do anything which the Hornet can't? Or is it at least more suitable for certain missions?

I love both, but only have time to master one.

Does/will the F-16 do anything which the Hornet can't?

The Falcon has a better kill ratio versus Californian warehouses than the Hornet.

The Falcon has a better kill ratio versus Californian warehouses than the Hornet.

LOL

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This might still be for sale.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=203931

Does/will the F-16 do anything which the Hornet can't? Or is it at least more suitable for certain missions?

 

I love both, but only have time to master one.

They're pretty much different service branch equivalents of the same thing. There are some flight characteristic differences, but they're otherwise very similar, capability-wise.

Difference is that you can't land on a carrier with an F-16 without destroying the plane and killing yourself.

Does/will the F-16 do anything which the Hornet can't? Or is it at least more suitable for certain missions?

 

I love both, but only have time to master one.

good comparison - 4-part series here >> https://fightersweep.com/author/cw-lemoine/page/3/

i also liked this article... https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/f-16-vs-f-18-a-navy-test-pilots-perspective.169261/

Does/will the F-16 do anything which the Hornet can't? Or is it at least more suitable for certain missions?

 

I love both, but only have time to master one.

If I understand correctly, the F-16 is a better dogfighter. Higher turn rate than the Hornet. The Hornet has the advantage of nearly unlimited AoA at slow speed, but can't accelerate very well. The Viper, if it gets slow and is in danger of being nailed by a Hornet pulling crazy AoA, has better acceleration and could zoom out of the fight.

But the more important part, IMO, is much better HOTAS ergonomics in the Viper. In the Hornet you still have to mess with the DDIs a lot. In the Viper you can potentially only touch the MFDs on startup and fence-in, and never have to take your hands off the throttles and stick to do absolutely anything during combat. For example, after you hit the A-G master mode button on the ICP, you can call up HARMs, cycle PB/POS/EOM modes, handoff an emitter type to the HARM, fire, then call up MRM mode for BVR combat, all without taking your hands off the HOTAS.

I agree Mad-Mex

To me it will also be the first module I won't have to memorize what switch does what.

No Kidding! Sort of like the F-5, start up was a cinch since I knew what switch did what and it cut the learning time way down!

Now, time to see if I remember how to start the F-16,,,

Ouch! Maybe too soon?

LOL

 

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I work at that base it took off from,, what a PITA today with the freeway closed!

The HTS (HARM Targeting System) pod is another unique F-16 feature. As I understand it, this allows the aircraft to accurately triangulate the position of a radar from repeated emissions. When a sufficiently accurate position has been determined this allows precision guidance of munitions onto the radar. This means that the F-16 we are getting is pretty much the ultimate SEAD/DEAD platform: the Hornet can do it, but this Viper should do it better.

Dogfighting prowess seems to be quite subjective: they certainly fight differently, the F-16 has better power to weight and the Hornet can pull more AoA. Which is better seems to depend who you ask. I would definitely agree on the HOTAS layout: the F-16 is much more HOTAS heavy (like the A-10), compared to the Hornet being more DDI heavy. Personally I prefer having more on HOTAS, especially as a VR pilot.

The WH Throttle has more than enough switches, buttons & axes to emulate an f-16. It works fine when I'm using it on the F-16 Sim than cannot be named. I do use a Target profile to get the most out of it though, and a pair of F-16 Cougar MFDs will help.

The F16 HOTAS set up is quite similar to the way the A10C works.

What I'd like to know is what is the status of GM Radar?

Very interesting about the F-16's HARM Pod, that might just be the reason I pick up the F-16 as well as the Hornet - while I do like the idea of landing on a carrier, I completely suck at it, so F-16 might just become my main jet haha!

I've ben waiting so long for th F-16 and my mates from the VDS always told me, she will never come. Too modern, to top secret bla bla bla....

BUT you made it. You let my dream come true. I just hope that the weapons will be available from the beginning on.

Thanks for producing this beauty!!!

I've ben waiting so long for th F-16 and my mates from the VDS always told me, she will never come. Too modern, to top secret bla bla bla....

 

BUT you made it. You let my dream come true. I just hope that the weapons will be available from the beginning on.

Thanks for producing this beauty!!!

This will not happen, Wags already posted their plan here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=241132

Wanna buy mine? Including FSSB?

No shipping fee - especially for you! :megalol:

That is... actually tempting. :)

But where to put all that? I'm certainly not going to abandon the A-10 and the Warthog, and the desk is already crammed with all the flight sim gear. And I don't know if the desk would support another 2 Monstertech mounts without breaking apart.

Still... tempting. Think I'll have to take and look and then we could grab a beer. Sounds like a plan? ;)

On a completely unrelated note: the phase 1 early access includes a "SAM" radar mode. Don't think I ever heard of that. Anyone know what that stands for?

RWS-SAM is Range While Search Situation Awareness Mode, it performs a similar function to LTWS in the Hornet.

Great news, surprised by both releases 190 and f16. You guys seem to be steam rolling now. Hope progress doesn't slow down as there are some planes on that list that I'm interested on. Day one purchase for f16. Cant wait.

RWS-SAM is Range While Search Situation Awareness Mode, it performs a similar function to LTWS in the Hornet.

Thanks!

The HTS (HARM Targeting System) pod is another unique F-16 feature. As I understand it, this allows the aircraft to accurately triangulate the position of a radar from repeated emissions. When a sufficiently accurate position has been determined this allows precision guidance of munitions onto the radar. This means that the F-16 we are getting is pretty much the ultimate SEAD/DEAD platform: the Hornet can do it, but this Viper should do it better.

 

Dogfighting prowess seems to be quite subjective: they certainly fight differently, the F-16 has better power to weight and the Hornet can pull more AoA. Which is better seems to depend who you ask. I would definitely agree on the HOTAS layout: the F-16 is much more HOTAS heavy (like the A-10), compared to the Hornet being more DDI heavy. Personally I prefer having more on HOTAS, especially as a VR pilot.

for somone who doesn't have Hotas warthog i prefer the F18 Hotas setup because with its simpler system i can actually bind everything to my X55. A10C had too many functions to do so. and i still needed a some share of keyboard commands. if the F16 is going to be the more complex hotas as the A10 ....... than i guess i need to set aside some cash for new HOTAS

will a template be released after the release in early ?