Updated Radar

So is it possible that we will ever see some of this newer radar code applied back to some of the FC3 modules ?

Is it modular enough to be done ?

In particular some of the newer IFF/NCTR/TWS code we see in Hornet/Viper applied to F-15, and then furthermore a better API for other 3rd party companies to make their radar code more realistic ?

Maybe with MAC we'll get some updates.

Would be fantastic to see realistic systems implementation in the FC3 planes

(...) realistic systems implementation in the FC3 planes

It would mean FC3 planes redone as full fidelity planes, it would take a lot of time.

It would be great since FC3 reserved some of the hottest jest ever.

it would be great to have an update of FC3

The FC3 limited, all seeing, instant detection, radars ain't limitation in FC3, but it is in whole DCS World, where these aircrafts gets to fly among full cockpit modules.

AFAIK the hornet is only fighter that has real radar beam simulation, where the beam real FOV scans across the space and tries to find a target, and if the target is pointed, then its RCS is used to check does it get detected (so far only 100% certainty and only notching denies detection, meaning we do not have blinking target that some times is visible and sometimes not, depending range, RCS, weather etc) and this might be as well with F-14 Tomcat, but likely not with other modules.

Compared to FC3 such things is more effective, and much easier for them, and that makes it little more unfair to other module owners.

The FC3 limited, all seeing, instant detection, radars ...

Coming with experience from F-15C I can assure you there is RCS calculated, LOS, notch filter, doppler filter, ground clutter and different PRF simulated for the radar. It could use some improvements and more effects but it's far from "all seeing, instant detection". The guys in the know even say it's worse compared to RL.

v1.2

Aircraft (year of service)

Radar name

Detection max range (RCS of 4m2 target in the best conditions)

Horizontal maximum search angle

Vertical maximum search angle

M-2000C (1984)

RDI

~ 85km

-60°/+60° <120°

+60°/-60° <120°

MiG-29A (1983)

MiG-29G (1989)

N019E "Rubin"

~ 70km

-60°/+60° <120°

+56°/-36° <92°

MiG-29S (1988 )

N019M "Topaz"

~ 80km

-65°/+65° <130°

+60°/-38° <98°

SU-27 (1985)

N001 "Myech"

~ 110km

-60°/+60° <120°

-55°/+55° <110°

SU-33 (1990)

N001K "Myech"

~ 115km

-60°/+60° <120°

-55°/+55° <110°

F-15C (1980)

AN/APG-63

~ 140km

-60°/+60° <120°

-30°/+30° <60°

MiG-21bis (1972)

RP-22 "Sapphire"

~ 30km

-30°/+30°<60°

-2°/+17° <19°

F-5E (1972)

AN/APQ-159

~ 40km

-45°/+45° <90°

-40°/+45° <85°

J-11A (1998 )

N001VE "Panda Project"

~ 120km

-60°/+60° <120°

-55°/+55° <110°

F/A-18C (1987)

AN/APG-73

~135km

-70°/+70°<140°

-60°/+60°<120°

F-14A (1975)

F-14B (1987)

AN/AWG-9

~ 210km

-65°/+65° <130°

-6°/+6°<12°

MiG-19P (1958 )

RP-5 "Izumrud"

~10km

+30°/-30°<60°

+26/-16°<42°

F-16C (1986)

AN/APG-68

~105km

-60°/+60° <120°

-60°/+60° <120°

JF-17 (2010)

KJL-7

~100km

-60°/+60° <120°

-?°/+?° <?°

So is it possible that we will ever see some of this newer radar code applied back to some of the FC3 modules ?

No, the development of these modules is finished, for realism you need to look to Full Fidelity modules.

Vertical maximum search angle

correction:

F-14A/B: -76° to +54°

F-15: -60° to +60°

about Mig-29: -77° to +60° *this is max sensor coverage at least in DCS

And btw, I tested F-15's radar last night and there is definitely no "instant seeing" - you have to wait for the antenna to actually paint the bogey, you can clearly see where it is currently in the pattern and when the blip comes up.

AFAIK the hornet is only fighter that has real radar beam simulation

Pretty sure that even before the F-18 was released, that wasn't the case.

False

correction:

 

F-14A/B: -76° to +54°

F-15: -60° to +60°

 

about Mig-29: -77° to +60° *this is max sensor coverage at least in DCS

 

 

And btw, I tested F-15's radar last night and there is definitely no "instant seeing" - you have to wait for the antenna to actually paint the bogey, you can clearly see where it is currently in the pattern and when the blip comes up.

LOOK THIS FOR F-14

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=237548

beginner confuses the mechanical elevation of the radar with the vertical electronic angle of research express in "bar"..

beginner confuses the mechanical elevation of the radar with the vertical electronic angle of research express in "bar"..

So you're the one who confuse things as your list defines "Vertical maximum search angle" not max bars elevation covered without moving the antenna. Or do you really think some fighters see 60 degrees of elevation without moving the dish?

;4143212']No' date=' the development of these modules is finished, for realism you need to look to Full Fidelity modules.[/quote']

 

It is not finished since changes from MAC will affect FC3 too. Also, FC3 still has incompleteness like entirely missing F2F datalink on the flankers in Multiplayer which ED by my knowledge is going to deal with too.

 

Also, since modern russian aircraft are not coming for at least a year or two, upgrading FC3 to the same combat capability (harder to use radar, differently modeled irst) and the same technological standard (mid 2000s Su-27SM/Su-30 instead of our soviet, obsolete models) also seems reasonable to ensure authenticity of the sim. Currently, Uganda possesses significantly newer russian-made fighters in real life than the Russian Federation (even AI) does in DCS.

LOOK THIS FOR F-14

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=237548

 

beginner confuses the mechanical elevation of the radar with the vertical electronic angle of research express in "bar"..

Having an F-14 with max elevation smaller than a MiG21 is funny.

As a rough estimation a 1 bar scan on 4th gen fighters radar is about 3 degrees so a typical 4 bar scan would cover approx. 12 degrees over several seconds. That should give you an idea of where your info is giving mixed up data.

After reading the link you posted it seems you are more confused than first realised. To help you understand an example of bar scan, the MiG29, it has a max elevation of +/-60 deg. But at 4 bar scan which I believe is what is fixed in FC3 it will only cover about 12 degrees of this. That is what elevation is for, moving in that +/-60 degrees using the amount of bar scans needed to suit most coverage in optimal time, obviously more bars take more time but cover more degrees, less bars quicker scan time but also less coverage. Like said before 1 bar covers about 3 degrees so the DCS MiG29 is covering roughly 12 degrees at 4 bars. This is all a generalisation but I hope it helps a bit.