SEAD in non SEAD aircraft / improvised SEAD

Anyone have any good sources, books or advice about performing SEAD missions in jets not meant for the role?

Specifically I'm thinking of something like A-10's, Mirage 2000C, etc. as this is the current limitation in DCS which I fly the most.

I have a book called Viper Pilot which is all about wild weaseling, fantastic book so far, but I would like to know more about how to deal with advanced sam sites without all of the fancy ECM gear wild weasel aircraft usually have.

Have a lot of trouble with SA-8's and SA-11's. There is one online server that has some SA-11's at a base near a mountain range, I figure terrain masking can be used to creep up to that one then fire mavericks and duck back behind a mountain, but another base has Rolands and SA-8's and the surrounding terrain is totally flat, there is nowhere to hide. The distance to the nearest mountain is too far for a dive toss / buddy lase too.

At the moment it can be killed with SU-25 anti radar missiles but I have enough aircraft and systems to learn and it feels weird shooting Russian equipment with Russian equipment. It also doesn't seem that realistic, that particular base is crawling with AAA and SAM's, in real life they'd turn the radars off the minute they saw an anti radar missile coming in..! Too easy with the anti-radiation missiles.

Thanks in advance!

The one thing this sandbox really needs is a modern, western built, SEAD capable aircraft.

GBU toss bombing and force correlating AGM 65s can produce some success in the Warthog against longer range SAM systems, if you know the target's exact location.

Use terrain to conceal yourself from enemy RADAR until you're within weapons range, then pop up, release weapons, and get the hell out of Dodge. :)

The one thing this sandbox really needs is a modern, western built, SEAD capable aircraft.

A role that the fa18 will fill :smilewink:

Fly extremely low and cluster bomb the hell out of them?

In your book Dan likes using cluster bombs most against sam's.

Not sure how low SA-8's, SA-11's & Roland's can target in the game.

If you fly low and fast you can even Gun-Kill an SA-10 :D

But yeah, Force-Corrolate on the Mavs or flying over 20.000ft AGL for SA-19s

M-2000C vs SA-3. :D

The thing that prompted me to post this thread was a pair of failed attacks in an A10 and an M2000C - both were flown at about 30 feet off the ground at relatively high speed.

I am guessing DCS SAM's are far able to lock onto targets flying far too low, I don't think they would have even been able to see me at that altitude in real life, but that's the hand we're dealt so I want to deal with it however I can.

Grunf if I tried a strike on this particular airfield like you did in that video they would pulverize me a million times before I even got close. The defenses are very strong there.

Maybe I need to start using more Maverick H's.

In Gulf war the A-10As did DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses - not SEAD), they needed to find and destroy SAMs units, I can't find the video where the pilot was saying that.. that's very interesting, even AH-64 Apache had to do that. However, it's a bit different of SEAD.

We have to see the full approach.

I don't know wich missile is in the Sa-3 from DCS:W but the minimum range 2.5-3.5 km and minimun altitude 20-100 meter.

So, I guess you could sneak in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora

Fellas the best is ka50 and now teamed up with a Gazzelle for its rwr if you don't know location of Sam system. Ka50 is great kill tgts out to 9.8 kilometers. Plus it's fun as heck playing Sniper in Dcs world

In Gulf war the A-10As did DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses - not SEAD), they needed to find and destroy SAMs units, I can't find the video where the pilot was saying that.. that's very interesting, even AH-64 Apache had to do that. However, it's a bit different of SEAD.

The radar was knocked out allready I guess? Just cleaning up the launchers.

The radar was knocked out allready I guess? Just cleaning up the launchers.

They were destroying to prevent the use of it. But yes, the radar wasn't working/operating, if so, that would be SEAD, and not DEAD.

Grunf if I tried a strike on this particular airfield like you did in that video they would pulverize me a million times before I even got close. The defenses are very strong there.

 

Maybe I need to start using more Maverick H's.

Which plane? I made another attempt, thist time with additional SA-6 along with the SA-3. Same result. :D

I then tried with A-10C, but couldn't make it. SA-6 got me. With SA-3 alone I was fine (actualy shot it with the gun :D).

http://imgur.com/a/fjeMH

With Ka-50, approaching SAM has to be done really low - max 10m. This limit has to be maintained when flying over hills or small ground cavity. As soon as you stick your head above ~10m even just for a moment, for instance due to the tree obstructing the view and preventing the lock, the SAM will fire.

For that reason it's already challenging to do DEAD in Ka-50 which is relatively easy to fly with while hogging the ground and in hover the pilot has all the time needed to prepare the weapon systems, get the lock and fire.

I've tried repeating it in A10C and it was just not manageable at least for me. Looking at the video of M2000 bombing I'm supprised that the SAM didn't fire. The only one reason might be that it didn't had time as the approach was shielded by the city blocks.

With Ka-50, approaching SAM has to be done really low - max 10m. This limit has to be maintained when flying over hills or small ground cavity. As soon as you stick your head above ~10m even just for a moment, for instance due to the tree obstructing the view and preventing the lock, the SAM will fire.

For that reason it's already challenging to do DEAD in Ka-50 which is relatively easy to fly with while hogging the ground and in hover the pilot has all the time needed to prepare the weapon systems, get the lock and fire.

I've tried repeating it in A10C and it was just not manageable at least for me. Looking at the video of M2000 bombing I'm supprised that the SAM didn't fire. The only one reason might be that it didn't had time as the approach was shielded by the city blocks.

It's really easy in the A-10C, did it on the last blueflag round, fire off a mav, get outta there.

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I know the OP said besides terrain masking, but I thought this was a pretty slick method.

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I've managed to hit SA-11 with a single GBU-16 drop from Mirage-2000C at the distance of 25nmi (supersonic toss bombing at 30k--->40k feet), this distance is enough to engage many SAM systems:

SA-3, SA-6, SA-8, SA-11, SA-13, SA-15, SA-19, and even SA-22 (if it will ever be modelled)

but you will need a JTAC near the target for that :)