LowRider88 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I just did some retesting and while the margin is slim i constantly get better turnrates flying the 21. No matter in which speedrange, as long as look not to pull to high AOA the fishbeds thrust allows it to gain a 1-2 degree/s advantage in sustained turns. The F5 with its more modern lift devices is better at unsustained turns but a long as the 21-driver knows/feels its AOA limits i dont see how the F5 can be the better dogfighter or energy fighter. Which leads to the question: Do u guys use the f5 as a rate or radius fighter? I would love to see any tacview file of a competently flown F5 beating another about equaly competent enemy. If I am flying against the MiG-21, a rate fighter. Against an F-14, a radius fighter, unless there are more than one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HetzerII Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Would it be possible to provide a tacview showing your rate-fights aganst a 21? At which speeds are u able to outrate the fishbeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowRider88 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Would it be possible to provide a tacview showing your rate-fights aganst a 21? At which speeds are u able to outrate the fishbeds? Sorry just to clarify, I use it as a rate fighter in the sense that I keep my speed up, not that I out rate it. With the MiG-21 capable of over M2, they will always be zippier. Although if you look at the maneuver graphs for both from the official manuals, you will see the F-5E has the same sustained turn rate as the MiG-21 at about 2000 feet higher. Which means if they are level, F-5E has the turn advantage. I think we have all see the report of the Soviet Tests of the F-5E and how it can dominate a MiG-21Bis in 1 minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas_From_Hell Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Two things that help a lot in the F-5 for me: using the thumb switch to avoid manoeuvre flaps deploying when you're trying to unload and accelerate, and using the rudder with centred aileron to roll at low speed/high AoA. While it's a jet that makes it difficult to have the initiative throughout the fight, it is one of the best at turning the tables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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