[INVESTIGATING] VR Default Position

First of all, very good job. The are very nice little details like the names of the HOTAS bindings that prove your dedication and the great experience you want to offer in this early access.

 

Question, bug or problem, I don't know but is the default position in VR as it should be ?

 

My first thought when I jumped in the cockpit was: Nice, a plane in which we have the noise in the HUD at it seems to be from pictures I saw. (with the advantage to have all MFD very clear and lisible in VR). But after visiting the pit and looking behind me, I noticed that the back seat is far behind... it is inclined but even the base seems far and the stick near.

 

If people or pilot could share how we really feel in front of the HUD (noise in the hud ?, about arm extended distance?, other simple metric?) it could be great, and if using a Rift S, his custom snapview settings very nice :)

 

Thanks you in advance and very good job again

Edited December 4, 2019 by uboats

got it

we will try to get a VR device and fix this issue

I feel good. I simply zero my VR to slightly adjust (if you feel too close, move a bit ahead, zero and then go back to your normal position)

 

it's cool not being too far back (like head resting on the seat) because then it's harder to read the small writings in the MFDs

I feel good. I simply zero my VR to slightly adjust (if you feel too close, move a bit ahead, zero and then go back to your normal position)

 

it's cool not being too far back (like head resting on the seat) because then it's harder to read the small writings in the MFDs

 

You can use the dcs view key rctrl rshift * and / on the numpad to move forward backwards amd then there is a bind called save cockpit angles

yes the bind to save the custom view (snapview) is RALT + Numpad 0.

 

In VR the saved snapview is often a mess. With TrackIR, tracking must be disabled, you define the view, save it and reactivate the tracking. In VR it's not possible to disable the tracking...

 

The only workaround I have found is to save the snapview, and then editing manually the snapview.lua file generated in saved_games/dcs/config/view folder. If needed, the default view settings can be recovered by looking at the views.lua file in the DCS installation folder: C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\JF-17

 

Here is the default VR view:

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0.127094,

y_trans = 0.015877,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

 

I tend to think that putting x_trans = 0 is better because the seat/stick positions relative to the pilot and its easier to see the front lights and center MFCD top buttons and screen.

 

Of course there are workaround to solve this small issue but Deka as probably go inside a true JF-17 and if they can translate their experience/knowledge to the VR default view, it would be very nice.

 

If it is already as it should be, it is a perfect answer for me and I will keep their settings :)

At least for me its a Little bit unconfortable when i use the middle MFD, because i have to use my neck to reach the upper buttons, appart from that if Deka says its okey I will use the default setup as well

Personally I really like it because in every other aircraft the position feels too far back.

The position is too forward... in VR, if you look at your back, you must feel like if your "real" back was resting in the seat.

yes, and in this case, the hud projection start to be little too big and fill completly the HUD glass. As the A10C but in a less extend fortunatly

With this modification the position is perfect IMO

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0,

y_trans = 0.015877,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

The position is too forward... in VR, if you look at your back, you must feel like if your "real" back was resting in the seat.

 

Exactly. This is like sitting straight in a reclined seat that's not made for doing so. I just see another problem when this gets corrected, but that's not Deka's fault then, but the real constructor's: You won't see the whole HUD symbology completely anymore.

 

With this modification the position is perfect IMO

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0,

y_trans = 0.015877,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

 

Totally makes sense since the non-VR setting has that also (the block just above that one). Neck to eyes offset is simulated in non VR as well, so no difference required here. Although ED does that as well with their F-16.

IIRC x = fwd/back, y = up/dwn, z = left/rght here. Has been a while since I messed with those the last time (which was before these files went into the IC filter). So basically z should be 0 as well.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Eldur

For me this works like a charm:

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0.1,

y_trans = -0.032,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

It would be great if the view could be fixed, because messing around with the views.lua breaks the integrity check.

I plan on doing the view.lua file change for the fix but you could use right Ctrl + shift numpad keys to shift your view temporarily and save it with 0 I think.

I feel good. I simply zero my VR to slightly adjust (if you feel too close, move a bit ahead, zero and then go back to your normal position)

 

That's what I usually do as well:

 

- learn forward

- press my assigned VR center view button

- sit normally again

- done

 

:thumbup:

Resetting zero by hitting the VR Center View is just a stop-gap. I constantly have tracking issues when looking at panels behind my left/right shoulders, causing my view point to become uncentered. If I hit VR center view, it will take me back to having my nose in the HUD glass. If I sit still and wait for it to automatically recenter, it takes a few seconds. In which case I am now a flaming fuselage falling through the sky.

yes its to much forward default. I also positioning my head forward then press VR Center button.

With this modification the position is perfect IMO

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0,

y_trans = 0.015877,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

 

Deka,

could you just update it to those values? They work perfect. No more effort needed.

Thx.

That's what I usually do as well:

 

- learn forward

- press my assigned VR center view button

- sit normally again

- done

 

:thumbup:

Spot on, but for some reason I find getting in the pit I'm whacking my chin on the UFC which is a claustrophobic feeling so I'd be welcoming a couple of inches backwards. VR has the ability to really annoy folks due to that immersive feeling.

Any news on that issue?

For me, it seems that it would be quite easy to fix. Until that happens, I need to manipulate the lua file which breaks my integrity check :-/.

 

Please fix it, this takes 5 minutes. See post Nr. 18.

Thank you.

post your setting tested please, gentleman

we will fix it

post your setting tested please, gentleman

we will fix it

 

Works perfect, useing it since release:

With this modification the position is perfect IMO

 

[14] = {--default view - VR

viewAngle = 114.165154,--FOV

hAngle = 0.000000,

vAngle = -9.363433,

x_trans = 0,

y_trans = 0.015877,

z_trans = -0.003428,

rollAngle = 0.000000,

},

 

Modified file attached.

File path: \DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\JF-17

Views.lua

Edited January 17, 2020 by viper2097

Works perfect, useing it since release:

 

 

Modified file attached.

File path: \DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\JF-17

What's odd is since the last update, I checked this file and it had the same values mentioned here so I didn't have to make any changes. The VR view did seem a bit less forward. I know I had made a note for myself to change it next time I flew.

@Viper You can fix the issue without breaking the IC. Here is how:

 

1. load a plane

2. change the default view a little bit with rctrl + rshift + numpad keys (2/4/6/8/etc.)

3. save the view with ralt + numpad 0

4. DCS will generate the file snapviews.lua in your save games/dcs/config/views folder

5. this file contains all the default views for all planes, find the JF-17 section and update the 14th view (VR)

6. Enjoy

 

To adjust the view, you don’t have to exit DCS. Exit the mission, adapt view in snapviews.lua, reload the mission.

 

If you don’t find the file, try to change/save a custom view multiple times. try to exit DCS because the file could be generated during closing. I have a doubt and don’t remember. As soon as the file exists, views can be adapted without exiting DCS

Edited January 17, 2020 by Chapa

ok, we are going to reset the vr x to 0