If you could have one WW2 fighter module not yet implemented, what would it be?

I would choose the Me-262 because it is one of the kickstarter aircraft we are supposed to have.

P-38 is the obvious choice. Great all-around fighter present in all theaters.

Me-262 is a wasted effort. It will be a hangar queen after a brief period of interest. 100 mph faster than its contemporaries and even faster against our current modules and severely outclassed by the next generation of jets. MP mission builders won't include it and SP will be intensely boring in it. A WWII module I will not buy, primarily because it is a very poor choice from a gameplay standpoint.

P-38 is the obvious choice. Great all-around fighter present in all theaters.

 

Me-262 is a wasted effort. It will be a hangar queen after a brief period of interest. 100 mph faster than its contemporaries and even faster against our current modules and severely outclassed by the next generation of jets. MP mission builders won't include it and SP will be intensely boring in it. A WWII module I will not buy, primarily because it is a very poor choice from a gameplay standpoint.

That is your opinion. Some already pledged money for the 262 during the 2014 kickstarter. It has to come if only to fulfill the pledges.

P-38 is the obvious choice. Great all-around fighter present in all theaters.

 

Me-262 is a wasted effort. It will be a hangar queen after a brief period of interest. 100 mph faster than its contemporaries and even faster against our current modules and severely outclassed by the next generation of jets. MP mission builders won't include it and SP will be intensely boring in it. A WWII module I will not buy, primarily because it is a very poor choice from a gameplay standpoint.

Good mission-makers will make interesting missions both for SP and MP. I'd love to see a Tempest V after the Me262.

I agree with gavagai.

Fox

P-38 is the obvious choice. Great all-around fighter present in all theaters.

 

Me-262 is a wasted effort. It will be a hangar queen after a brief period of interest. 100 mph faster than its contemporaries and even faster against our current modules and severely outclassed by the next generation of jets. MP mission builders won't include it and SP will be intensely boring in it. A WWII module I will not buy, primarily because it is a very poor choice from a gameplay standpoint.

Many people only think of the Me-262 in terms of a 1-v-1 fighter-v-fighter matchup. With the current planeset, it might seem that there is no balance. However, the first plane of a genre to arrive in DCS will always be alone. Tempests (and teamwork) will make for a superb challenge against the Me-262.

Furthermore, there are many other scenarios which are asymmetric, but remain compelling. Even the Me-262 A2-a variant has twice the bomb capacity of any other current WW2 German aircraft in DCS. It would be superb in an unarmed recon scenario. And, of course, high-altitude B-17 intercepts.

As others have already written, good SP and MP missions are very much possible with this aircraft. More so than many modern jets.

Although not my first choice for a WW2 fighter, it is still high on that list, and definitely not a waste, and I will very much welcome it when it arrives!

I'd like aircraft that can fit into a sensible timescale, as against just be the "I want to win" aircraft.

What comes to mind includes:

So an 40-41' period Spit and 109

Stuka

Hurricane

Hellcat and Zero

Ju88 (pilotable)

Blenheim

La-5, Hurricane or bf109 G6.

Many people only think of the Me-262 in terms of a 1-v-1 fighter-v-fighter matchup. With the current planeset, it might seem that there is no balance. However, the first plane of a genre to arrive in DCS will always be alone. Tempests (and teamwork) will make for a superb challenge against the Me-262.

 

Furthermore, there are many other scenarios which are asymmetric, but remain compelling. Even the Me-262 A2-a variant has twice the bomb capacity of any other current WW2 German aircraft in DCS. It would be superb in an unarmed recon scenario. And, of course, high-altitude B-17 intercepts.

 

As others have already written, good SP and MP missions are very much possible with this aircraft. More so than many modern jets.

 

 

Although not my first choice for a WW2 fighter, it is still high on that list, and definitely not a waste, and I will very much welcome it when it arrives!

The Me-262 is 100 mph faster than the Tempest. No amount of teamwork overcomes that in a guns engagement. The Me-262 can just blow through and disengage at will. In any historical scenario, ME-262's at speed will be untouchable unless they make gross errors.

It will find a home with people who want/need a clear advantage at all times but it will be boring for everyone else. Other titles have demonstrated this over and over for over 20 years. Its not like we haven't already seen what happens when the Me-262 is available in a WWII flight game. DCS will not be any different.

Maybe they will sell enough to make the effort profitable but it does nothing for rounding out a woefully lacking WWII plane set and, in the end, harms the overall DCS WWII effort by delaying something that fills one of the gaping holes. Almost ANY prop fighter would be a better use of resources.

The Me-262 is 100 mph faster than the Tempest. No amount of teamwork overcomes that in a guns engagement. The Me-262 can just blow through and disengage at will. In any historical scenario, ME-262's at speed will be untouchable unless they make gross errors.

 

It will find a home with people who want/need a clear advantage at all times but it will be boring for everyone else. Other titles have demonstrated this over and over for over 20 years. Its not like we haven't already seen what happens when the Me-262 is available in a WWII flight game. DCS will not be any different.

 

Maybe they will sell enough to make the effort profitable but it does nothing for rounding out a woefully lacking WWII plane set and, in the end, harms the overall DCS WWII effort by delaying something that fills one of the gaping holes. Almost ANY prop fighter would be a better use of resources.

You do realize that the Me262 is part of the initial DCS WWII effort? Have you been around here when the whole DCS WWII thing started?

I often see this Me262 angst. This thing is fast, yes, but has no real chance to turn with its enemies. And the Mk108 is not a very good weapon to fight against a turning fighter that is aware of the 262's presence.

I sometimes take the methadone-program for the 262 and fly dogfights on the Berloga server. And guess what: Some cry when I shoot them down. But I only catch others when they are not checking their six regularly. Once they realize my presence they easily outturn me. The biggest threads are the Tempest V (that's why I'd like to see this plane after the 262/those Hispanos hurt even at high distances) and the Mustang (we need a 150octane option) especially in packs of 2 or more. A diving Tempest or Mustang is in the speedrange to be a very serious threat to the Schwalbe. Teamplay is a key factor here.

I think this is more a psychological thing that so many are afraid of the 262. The Me262 is by far no guarantee for being at the top of the score list. Your chances of survival are high if you are fast, but your hit-chance is then significantly reduced for anything that turns faster than a pregnant cow. And then there is this engine management... Did you try to fight in a 262 for yourself to see how it performs in a dogfight scenario?

Once we finally get synced clouds, we can use them and hide from enemy aircraft. That will change a lot for the WWII scenario even with the current planeset.

I think that the Me262 adds something to the WWII theater. It will lead to more teamwork and increase the tension during the transit flight already or during bomber escorts.

The 262 will be a very interesting SP experience as well. There were Me262 operating in Normandy(end of July). Well the Normandy-map would have to be expanded a bit to the south to cover the historical airfield of departure.

Did you know that Mustang pilots during the Korean war had the thread of MiG-15s? They had balls of steel.

Fox

You do realize that the Me262 is part of the initial DCS WWII effort? Have you been around here when the whole DCS WWII thing started?

 

I often see this Me262 angst. This thing is fast, yes, but has no real chance to turn with its enemies. And the Mk108 is not a very good weapon to fight against a turning fighter that is aware of the 262's presence.

 

I sometimes take the methadone-program for the 262 and fly dogfights on the Berloga server. And guess what: Some cry when I shoot them down. But I only catch others when they are not checking their six regularly. Once they realize my presence they easily outturn me. The biggest threads are the Tempest V (that's why I'd like to see this plane after the 262/those Hispanos hurt even at high distances) and the Mustang (we need a 150octane option) especially in packs of 2 or more. A diving Tempest or Mustang is in the speedrange to be a very serious threat to the Schwalbe. Teamplay is a key factor here.

 

I think this is more a psychological thing that so many are afraid of the 262. The Me262 is by far no guarantee for being at the top of the score list. Your chances of survival are high if you are fast, but your hit-chance is then significantly reduced for anything that turns faster than a pregnant cow. And then there is this engine management... Did you try to fight in a 262 for yourself to see how it performs in a dogfight scenario?

 

Once we finally get synced clouds, we can use them and hide from enemy aircraft. That will change a lot for the WWII scenario even with the current planeset.

 

I think that the Me262 adds something to the WWII theater. It will lead to more teamwork and increase the tension during the transit flight already or during bomber escorts.

 

The 262 will be a very interesting SP experience as well. There were Me262 operating in Normandy(end of July). Well the Normandy-map would have to be expanded a bit to the south to cover the historical airfield of departure.

 

Did you know that Mustang pilots during the Korean war had the thread of MiG-15s? They had balls of steel.

 

 

Fox

^ This

I cant wait to get an in depth simulation of this awesome aircraft.

Me-262 is a wasted effort. It will be a hangar queen after a brief period of interest. 100 mph faster than its contemporaries and even faster against our current modules and severely outclassed by the next generation of jets. MP mission builders won't include it and SP will be intensely boring in it. A WWII module I will not buy, primarily because it is a very poor choice from a gameplay standpoint.

Me-262 was part of the old WW2 Kickstarter before rescue them by ED, and has the only module missing to complete the old KS. ED has confirmed that aircraft to get honnor to the old KS backers, on develop process actually and expected build a realistic module, with your good and bad features of the real aircraft. That is a long process and as the P-47, required a extensal research to build a propper hardcore module.

That can open a door to ED and 3rd parties build other first generation jets to a late WW2 / early cold war scenery as Meteor, de Havilland Vampire, P-80 and others (remember DCS has a multy era simulator).

You do realize that the Me262 is part of the initial DCS WWII effort? Have you been around here when the whole DCS WWII thing started?

 

I often see this Me262 angst. This thing is fast, yes, but has no real chance to turn with its enemies. And the Mk108 is not a very good weapon to fight against a turning fighter that is aware of the 262's presence.

 

I sometimes take the methadone-program for the 262 and fly dogfights on the Berloga server. And guess what: Some cry when I shoot them down. But I only catch others when they are not checking their six regularly. Once they realize my presence they easily outturn me. The biggest threads are the Tempest V (that's why I'd like to see this plane after the 262/those Hispanos hurt even at high distances) and the Mustang (we need a 150octane option) especially in packs of 2 or more. A diving Tempest or Mustang is in the speedrange to be a very serious threat to the Schwalbe. Teamplay is a key factor here.

 

I think this is more a psychological thing that so many are afraid of the 262. The Me262 is by far no guarantee for being at the top of the score list. Your chances of survival are high if you are fast, but your hit-chance is then significantly reduced for anything that turns faster than a pregnant cow. And then there is this engine management... Did you try to fight in a 262 for yourself to see how it performs in a dogfight scenario?

 

Once we finally get synced clouds, we can use them and hide from enemy aircraft. That will change a lot for the WWII scenario even with the current planeset.

 

I think that the Me262 adds something to the WWII theater. It will lead to more teamwork and increase the tension during the transit flight already or during bomber escorts.

 

The 262 will be a very interesting SP experience as well. There were Me262 operating in Normandy(end of July). Well the Normandy-map would have to be expanded a bit to the south to cover the historical airfield of departure.

 

Did you know that Mustang pilots during the Korean war had the thread of MiG-15s? They had balls of steel.

 

 

Fox

I am not afraid of it. Its boring to fight and easy to dodge. I just think it is an awful development decision.

You do realize that the Me262 is part of the initial DCS WWII effort? Have you been around here when the whole DCS WWII thing started?

 

I often see this Me262 angst. This thing is fast, yes, but has no real chance to turn with its enemies. And the Mk108 is not a very good weapon to fight against a turning fighter that is aware of the 262's presence.

 

I sometimes take the methadone-program for the 262 and fly dogfights on the Berloga server. And guess what: Some cry when I shoot them down. But I only catch others when they are not checking their six regularly. Once they realize my presence they easily outturn me. The biggest threads are the Tempest V (that's why I'd like to see this plane after the 262/those Hispanos hurt even at high distances) and the Mustang (we need a 150octane option) especially in packs of 2 or more. A diving Tempest or Mustang is in the speedrange to be a very serious threat to the Schwalbe. Teamplay is a key factor here.

 

I think this is more a psychological thing that so many are afraid of the 262. The Me262 is by far no guarantee for being at the top of the score list. Your chances of survival are high if you are fast, but your hit-chance is then significantly reduced for anything that turns faster than a pregnant cow. And then there is this engine management... Did you try to fight in a 262 for yourself to see how it performs in a dogfight scenario?

 

Once we finally get synced clouds, we can use them and hide from enemy aircraft. That will change a lot for the WWII scenario even with the current planeset.

 

I think that the Me262 adds something to the WWII theater. It will lead to more teamwork and increase the tension during the transit flight already or during bomber escorts.

 

The 262 will be a very interesting SP experience as well. There were Me262 operating in Normandy(end of July). Well the Normandy-map would have to be expanded a bit to the south to cover the historical airfield of departure.

 

Did you know that Mustang pilots during the Korean war had the thread of MiG-15s? They had balls of steel.

 

 

Fox

The 262 is the sole reason that I thankfully steered clear of the Kick-starter debacle. I knew at that point that they were not serious and am glad I gave it a pass. I wish that ED would too and focus on making better decisions about content. The P-47 that they eventually gave us was not the one that was promised, I assume that they gave up trying to find information on the P-47D-28 and went with the -30, I wish they had gone with a -15 or -22 instead since they didn't deliver the -28. I also wish they would admit defeat and deliver a different aircraft that would have something to add rather than peruse the 262 any further. If some day all the major a/c have been made and time and enough information are available, sure, why not make it, but for now it really adds nothing.

Planes I'd love to see, in order::

P-38

Tempest

Macchi 202

P-40 (we'd need some other early fighters, though, or it'd be completely doomed)

Yak-9 (ideally Yak-9U given timeframe of our other aircraft)

P-39/P-63

P-80 (yeah, they never saw combat, but the YP-80's did actually see service in a recon role)

I'm sure I'm forgetting some, since this is largely off the top of my head.

Would also love to see A/B/H variants of the P-51 (the A-36 would also be pretty cool), and some earlier 109's and Spitfire marks.

Hawker Tempest Mk. V :)

+1 !!!

Definitely as top priority would be actual bombers:

Avro Lancaster / B-17 / He-177

Twin engines heavy fighters/ground attack:

bf/me-110, mosquito, Ju-88, beaufighter, he-219, A-26

or late war first jets:

P-80, Gloster meteor, me-262, he-162

My first choice is a Mosquito, can't wait for the FB Mk VI that's on the way!

Second choice would be a Spitfire Mk XXI with the blister canopy. Would be good to have a Griffon power version of this thoroughbred (Bit more of an edge against the K4 UFO module). 

Just one...?   
 

Bf 109 F-4

beyond that, lots of interesting stuff...

Beaufighter

Typhoon

Uhu

flyable Ju-88 

A6M

Lack of, or limited, airworthy examples is clearly a handicap for DCS modules

Noted that Nick Grey commented that the Tiffie was almost certainly a NO, but Tempest might be possible in the longer term... although with no airworthy Napier Sabres, presumably this would have to be a  Centaurus engined Tempest II and not a Tempest V...?

Later WW2 era aircraft are undoubtedly awesome, but the weight and higher take off / landing speeds seem to render the even more of a handful. I seem to recall from Pierre Clostermann’s book that the Tempest was very good at killing young, inexperienced pilots 

Non fighters???

Mossie B and PR versions

Type 464 (Provisioning), along with appropriate scenery

P38 or mosquito .. maybe leaning more towards mosquito because there are so many things you can do with it.. night fighter fighter bomber,  heavy fighter etc. 

Well, since the Mosquito is already on its way I'd say either a Ju-88 (as a counterpart to the Mosquito) or a Mitsubisho Zero (to fight the upcoming Corsair).

A long time back now I got to try the now gone and forgotten veao teams P-40 with VR at Duxford. I had a very short opportunity in the module, it was my first taste of VR and the moment I became hooked with it. As for the P-40 I didn’t have enough time in it to make a proper judgment of the flight model but visually they had actually done a neat job and it was a really cool feeling sitting in a cage like environment with all the frames either side of you, it felt like an old WW2 fighter. Thing is if someone asked me what’s your favourite WW2 fighter I wouldn’t say the P-40 and in reality it wouldn’t fit or compete with the current crop of WW2 aircraft available in DCS but having experienced it I can’t help but feel it’s one that’s got away. It’s not my favourite WW2 fighter, but it’s certainly not my least favourite, I do love it, love the look of it and I would love to have it in DCS. It’s such a shame they couldn’t have forwarded the work they had done on to ED. Maybe one day we will see someone take it on. 

The post above re the P-40 is interesting...

Many years ago there was a mod sim (CFS based?) called Mediterranean Air War / MAW...

the really refreshing aspect of MAW was the theatre specific aircraft and paint schemes...

A North Africa / Malta / Italy area map would be a huge opportunity to introduce a theatre for an interesting and fairly well balanced mix of early / mid war aircraft

Picking just one is simply not possible for me. The ones I'd like seeing are:

- Bf-109E-4/b,E-7/b,F-4,G-2

- Fw-190G and/or F (which may or may not be coming from ED)

- Bf-110, probably G series with a multitude of ground attack options

- A6M2 and/or A6M5

- Ki-43

- Aichi D3A

- SBD Dauntless

- F6F, a mid or late war variant

- Spitfire I & II

- Hurricane (ideally both a Battle of Britain fighter, and later war attacker, but former is more important)

- A B-25 or A-26, with rockets and guns for direct attack capability in addtion to level bombing

- Ju-88A4

- Ju-87D-5 and G-2, although a B variant could be ok too if a Battle of Britain set was implemented. Still, I'd prefer later ones to serve as an Axis side ground attacker of sorts.

- P-40, I'd prefer one of the Mediterranean veteran variants, but any mid war variant would be cool

- If we get to Eastern front side of things, IL-2M, mid and late war variants of Yak-9, Yak-3 would be cool. Same goes for Pe-2.

- Fw-190A-4

- Spitfire V

Some other Japanese planes like Ki-84, Ki-61, Ki-100, and N1K2 would also be cool but I think neither documents nor an airworthy example survive for those  Though I think there is at least a museum piece Ki-100.

Aside from a few, you may have realized my wishes are mostly mid to early war variants. I'd say we have enough late war modules available, early-mid war fighters are usually matched closer and are lighter/nicer to throw around, so would be cool to get some of them available in DCS!

How hard would it be to implement V-1 flying bombs? They're not exactly crucial but they'd give some great mission options.

I am pretty sure that they are going to be implemented. 

Hence these images from a few months back... 

I hope that if we are indeed getting these we would have the aircraft credited with their destruction in Operation Fiver and Operation Crossbow in both the air and on the ground respectively. Namely the Spitfire Mk.XIV/Tempest and the Tempest/Mosquito among others.