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Old 09-28-2013, 01:46 PM   #21
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Who gives a flying chrome ball?
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:48 PM   #22
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@Bongodriver: No it's not correctly rendered in game because the game can'r handle the physics of refraction! It's like when you stand above water and poke a long stick into it, you'll see that when it breaks the surface it'll "bend" away under water. The same here, the real armored glass is so thick that the bar isn't visible when looking through the glass.

This is a case where they should have disregarded the drawings because it comes out incorrect.
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:49 PM   #23
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@cichlidfan: It's areal pain in the *** to have that bar when trying to acquire a firing solution and a leading shot.

On the other hand since we don't know how it will look when ready it might not be as bas as the old "bar"

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:52 PM   #24
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So it is a refraction issue rather than a modelling issue? I wonder if it will be so much of an issue with 6DoF.

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:54 PM   #25
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All that talk about corkscrew , propeller physics mambo jambo , and they put a big bar in front of the revi.

@Nate--IRL-- you can raise your head(6dof ) but it's still a disadvantage to look over that bar.

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:55 PM   #26
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Who gives a flying chrome ball?
Really nobody should, but this is a legendary debate in the flight sim world, for some the inclusion of the bar is like burning a Qur'an.

@hakjar.......is do see your point and agree the glass certainly refracted, but who actually knows how well that refraction accounted for the bar?
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:01 PM   #27
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Still don't see what you are on about.
In the video it looks like their is a 3-4cm tall bit of metal running along the bottom of the forward canopy.

This is an important issue because it's been done incorrectly in the past.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:03 PM   #28
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But Krupi, if the 3d model of the cockpit is of accurate dimensions and the players eye height is set correctly and the 'bar' is visible then it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume it was visible in real life, in order to make that bar disappear the bottom of the armoured glass would probably have to sit inside the fuselage, I can see no feature of the aircraft that suggests that is the case.
The reason it isn't 'visible in real life' is made clear by the enlarged side view here:

Refraction through the thick armoured glass causes the 'line of sight' forwards to move upwards. It is only about 1.5 cm or so, but it is enough to remove the 'bar'. And yes, the drawing shows that the bottom of the glass actually sits inside the fuselage - photo's won't show this, because of the refraction.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #29
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:06 PM   #30
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Sigh. I'm tempted to pull my funding if they pull this kind of thing again.
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