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Old 02-04-2018, 05:10 PM   #1
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What are the chances of ever getting a flyable B-17G by ED or a third party developer?
I mean the DCS B-17 has So much potential and looks absolutly gorgious!
Plus the fact that not a single flight Sim has ever put any efford in featuring the Fortress since (at least not at a combatsim level) B-17 The mighty eight ( which is about 20 years old by now)
For Some reason nobody wants to take on the challange to make a realistic B-17 Sim for So Many years and fighters and other aircraft are allways favourd over the Fortress.
Its such a shame since historicly B-17 raids still dominanted the biggest part of the U.s europian airwar.
Plus the fact that maybe a mult crewed B-17 would make such a more interessting and fresh New experience in itself.
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Old 02-04-2018, 05:51 PM   #2
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Markindel did create a B-17 mod.
There is a flyable version.
I know this is not what you want, or are asking about,
But with a bit of effort, a custom cockpit could be created.
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The FM could be adjusted.

Mario has done it.

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Old 03-01-2018, 09:27 PM   #3
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Flying a B-17 over Europe in WWII was one of the many reasons I became interested in DCS in the first place.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:56 PM   #4
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It would be pretty cool
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:04 AM   #5
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For Some reason nobody wants to take on the challange to make a realistic B-17 Sim for So Many years and fighters and other aircraft are allways favourd over the Fortress.
Its such a shame since historicly B-17 raids still dominanted the biggest part of the U.s europian airwar.



Like the Lancaster and the B29, the B17's actual role in combat theatres is really not that suitable for gaming. These aircraft excelled at very long range strategic bombing. Who has time to sit in the cockpit for 8 hours, flying mostly S&L the whole time? Flying the B17 would be more akin to what you get in Civilian aviation sims.


Also, we're a long, long way of getting maps that large in DCS-style combat games.


This is why developers favour single and twin engined strike aircraft. They are far more "believably" employed on shorter (30 minute to 2 hour) sorties of the kind that suit the map size we have, and the time contraints that most players are subject to.


Flying "B17s raids over Europe" sounds nice, but in practice you need (1) the massive maps for it, and (2) the free time to spend 6 to 8 hours sitting in the aircraft.


Multi-crewing such a bomber sounds nice too... but who's going to sit in the gunner or bombadier position for 6 hours flying level at 25,000ft waiting for an intercept that may or may not come?


I would expect that most people (if they did have a flyable B17 in DCS) would end up trying to use it on solo bombing attacks at medium to low level.. without proper fighter support or the cover of 50+ other bombers in close formation. . which makes one wonder why even bother with the B17.. and why not go for something designed to do this (Mosquito, A20, Beaufighter, Typhoon, A26)...


Multicrew aircraft make far more sense for gaming when the crew positions actually have something to do (rather than just wiating around for hours on end), the F14 is a good modern example. I think the other next best example would be a door gunner for the huey.
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:40 AM   #6
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this is just another one of those fantasies that works out great in your own head where everyone is a clone of yourself with your same goals and interests, where every engagement scenario is perfect and ideal, and where all your enemies are always nice and cooperative.
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:14 AM   #7
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Yeah........dream on,can't see that happening,lol...........some of us are still waiting for the devs to add bombs and fuel tanks to the Spitfire and that's been released well over a year now !
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:21 AM   #8
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..........some of us are still waiting for the devs to add bombs and fuel tanks to the Spitfire and that's been released well over a year now !


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Old 03-17-2018, 11:34 AM   #9
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I hear you Basco1 It is kind of hard to make a WW2 bombing mission without BOMBS!
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:13 AM   #10
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Well, of course it’s a debate and hopefully everyone is going to defend his positions.

Though I do NOT understand why so many are stuck in the impossibility we have one some day.

Can’t you understand many people are just fond of the B-17 design, as a very elegant and awesome Airframe on it’s own ?





Holy prop, we have those ubiquitous Fighters over and over again ( 109, Spits.. ) here and on IL2 as well as « What can I actually do with » planes such the Yak ... the B-17 definitely has its place. We have Normandy, what’s this for ?? It is wide enough to be it’s hunting range, period. Optimising stuff to welcome a Flying Fortress must be something in the scope of Eagle Dynamics. I know manpower and so are limited, but they’re spending way too much energy in trainers, in my humble useless opinion.

For those making assumptions that the B-17 is a complex A/C, you just get too much impressed by it. It’s a pretty simple design actually, built to last and to be easily serviceable on field with many interchangeable parts. Pretty straight forwards, it has four engines using superchargers for high alt performances.





I know this plane intimely as studying it for like twenty years, it’s history, design, building, development etc. Probably the most complex stuff to do could be the Norden modeling and integration and original implementation of multicrew and management system in single player pretty much like B-17 II : The Mighty Eighth was ( still an awesome sim nearly 20 years after ), but for sure if there is such a strong and continious popular demand, it wil come sooner or later.

Keep showing your interest dudes ! And I’d personally give 1500 USD just to start the project and encourage others to follow.


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