Normandy Map Discussion

It's hard to find good pictures.

Le Havre, Winter 44

Winter 1944 was focused around a different part of the continent anyway. Think the Ardennes - and the battle of the bulge. And yes, it was a cold, snowy, misty time. In fact the weather was so bad during December that a lot of the time Germany was able to sustain an offensive many due to the lack of air cover for the allies.

Normandy winter 1944 - a backwater, and in terms of the air war, totally irrelevant. It had been liberated, and ceased to be central to events. I dare say there were a number of air bases operating there - close to the supply lines, but that's about it.

The best justification for having proper snow would be for people that want to use the map for other things.

Winter 1944 was focused around a different part of the continent anyway. Think the Ardennes - and the battle of the bulge. And yes, it was a cold, snowy, misty time. In fact the weather was so bad during December that a lot of the time Germany was able to sustain an offensive many due to the lack of air cover for the allies.

Yep my father fought on the front lines in the Battle of the Bulge, and suffered frozen feet. He did not like to talk much about his experiences there.

Yes, an Antwerp campaign for example would be good. We'd need much more woodland, forest and steep valleys to reproduce the Ardennes though.

For anything Italy based, you just need loads of deep sticky mud.

Of course, but consideration towards "what if" missions and such is important too.

See above :)

If and when the eastern side of the map (NW France) get a tad more fleshed out, I could be an excellent template/Stand in for late-war- Battle of the Bulge scenarios.

That being said- snow less winters are more common in this part of Europe... The trees are without leaves for months- Autumn maps typically has orange/red leaves, which are actually just present for a few weeks before the trees are bare, so Autumn is a poor stand in for snow-less winter... That being said, snow looks cool and appropriate scenery for our warbirds to fly over:D

How does the fall and winter version differ atm.? Is it the same?

Of course, but consideration towards "what if" missions and such is important too.

Well as far as I can see it is ALL going to be what if. Unless there is a way of removing from the map ALG sites that hadn't been built.

In the stream there was a comment about an Epsom campaign. Now correlate the dates of Epsom vs the dates of the ALG shown thus far.... it's as incorrect as putting a Viggen on the map. Would you accept calling a Mk IX s Mk 2 if I told you it was one? How is accuracy the benchmark in one sphere and not in another? I really don't get how ED operates. (Yes, a "Normandy" map wasn't their idea. But the implementation is).

Looking through the screenshots thread again, most of the towns seem to be in pretty good condition considering the war is going on all around. I wonder if there is much in the map in terms of bombed and damaged structures, and general wartime destruction to the towns, or will this 'intact' look be the norm.

I hope ED still has some plans to polish the mesh for the coast, looks very edgy...

also the transition from the beach to water could be better...

Hope they'll do something until release

 

In the stream there was a comment about an Epsom campaign. Now correlate the dates of Epsom vs the dates of the ALG shown thus far.... it's as incorrect as putting a Viggen on the map. Would you accept calling a Mk IX s Mk 2 if I told you it was one? How is accuracy the benchmark in one sphere and not in another? I really don't get how ED operates. (Yes, a "Normandy" map wasn't their idea. But the implementation is).

I have been working with them on the campaign built around Epsom and the choices seem very well tailored to what is needed. I would be confident with any campaign scenario ranging from May to mid-August based on what we have here. There is only one airfield that left me saying 'gosh I wish that one were there' but it is the job of the mission designer to make sure those cases do not affect a person's overall enjoyment of the experience.

I am glad to put your mind at rest on anything specific if you want to shoot me a PM.

Some very exciting feedback in here, I am really looking forward to some campaign flying over Normandy in the Spit!

Nice one, War damage will really add to the atmosphere. Getting excited now

That makes good sense, and it's always good to have improvements to look forward to down the line. I have a good friend who has never experienced VR or a modern flight sim for that matter, but he has a great interest in WWII and we have travelled to many places in Normandy. He's going to be staggered when I get him into the Spitfire over Omaha beach in VR.

This looks like a great piece of work, I'm sure the team are proud of what they have created, and us lot can't wait to get up in the air over Cherbourg.