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as others here, i also think, that before visiting other theaters, dcs should focus on the current timeframe and front. im not talking about sticking to 1944 only, but mid to late war western front. (although, i would sell a kidney for a 109-F4).

 

i would rather have one scenario which can be considered as at least partially complete with lots of content and aircraft, than a couple of scenarios which dont blend together at all..speaking of pacific for example.

 

i think, that after the current announced planeset by ED, best would be to develop 1 twin engine attack aircraft for each side. that would give us lots of opportunities offline and especially online. cause i fear, that as long as bombers remain AI, people will not really care and "waste" ammunition on them, even if the mission builders create something immersive. i have seen that in other sims, where people just dont care because the bombers are AI.

but on the same server, the very same mission, when the same people all of a sudden saw a bomber formation flown by players, that was when all the fun began. people all of a sudden like to give escorts, and the opposing side actually begins to attack the bombers. i think, even the most detailed AI models will not be able to give us that...so my 2c, remain on the western front, keep improving that, and hopefully we will see twin engines arise as well.

 

I would also focus on upper topics, sounds like a plan :) why the 109 F4?

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Well David can't really answer anymore but the F-4 is is favorite version of his favorite airplane.

 

I think if they made it in DCS he'd probably never leave his PC again.

 

In all seriousness the F-4 is regarded by many real world and Sim world 109 Pilots as the best version of the 109. The perfect combination of Engine and Airframe.

 

IMO an earlier time period of Channel air Combat would be awesome for DCS. Spit V vs F and early G 109s, maybe even Razorback P-47s. Unfortunately with the rate at which DCS development happens it makes more sense to stick to the time period we already have though. Even then I would still fly an F-4 against the aircraft we have now if they made it!

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Flyable Fw 190A-8, one day?

 

for while i was not sure if it was irony or not, but according this

 

 

A-8 is on the way, no one said when or if it be full fidelity module on not, but it seem to be clear that A-8 will come someday :thumbup:

Летаб=Flyable=full

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Flyable doesn't necessarily mean full. May be FC 3 level (Flying legens pack).

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Flyable doesn't necessarily mean full. May be FC 3 level (Flying legens pack).
Is there any current airworthy Fw190 at TFC in order to say that? :huh:

 

 

Версия пока будет базовая а8, без всяких пока там R модификаций. Это четыре 20 мм пушки и два 13 мм пулемета. Штатный пилон под фюзеляжем.
Google translator: "The version will be basic a8, without any modifications. These are four 20 mm cannons and two 13 mm machine guns. Established pylon under the fuselage". So, no F8 ground attack version, but Fw190A-8. I don't see why it should be a FC simplified version provided we already have a full fidelity D9 featuring the very same internal systems except for the engine and a new cockpit has been also confirmed.

 

 

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No, but they don't have a 109 either. In fact they don't appear to have any German aircraft.

 

According to Yo-Yo at least, ED has access to the Smithsonian archives, which have lots of data about German aircraft which were captured during/after the war. So lack of data doesn't appear to be an issue as far as German planes goes.

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Also the Warbird community is quite close knit and TFC regularly hosts aircraft and pilots with connections to other collections. Given the presence of a genuine A-8 in the US and ergo the chaps that are cleared to fly it, in conjunction with historical documentation, I would not expect the development of the Anton to be a problem.

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There are a couple of A-8s around, but AFAIK none with original engines. The only one with a BMW engine is an A-5. Either way judging from the various forum discussions over the years, having access to the real aircraft doesn't seem to be as important as some people think it is. It's not like they're conducting flight tests with these aircraft. Access to manufacturer and or operator documentation seems to be more important.

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Google translator: "The version will be basic a8, without any modifications. These are four 20 mm cannons and two 13 mm machine guns. Established pylon under the fuselage". So, no F8 ground attack version, but Fw190A-8.

 

What about 21cm WfGr?

 

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-674-7772-13A,_Flugzeug_Focke-Wulf_Fw_190,_Bewaffnung.jpg

 

 

Either way judging from the various forum discussions over the years, having access to the real aircraft doesn't seem to be as important as some people think it is. It's not like they're conducting flight tests with these aircraft. Access to manufacturer and or operator documentation seems to be more important.

 

 

During the Q&A session with Nick Grey, the implication was that access to real aircraft was critical. Ref: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207133 (search on that page for the term "real aircraft").

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They didn't mention anything about W.Grs but since they are already in on the Dora theres no reason they shouldn't be in on the A-8. Although it is DCS so who knows...

 

If not having access to real aircraft was a killer, we wouldn't have half the aircraft we have. Even if the aircraft were in exactly the same condition as operational aircraft almost 80 years ago (weight, CG pos, Weapons, Engine limitations etc etc etc etc) they still are not using them to gather any sort of flight/performance data. I would think for any 3D work it would be better to rely on original drawings as well.

 

I'm sure it has its uses. But probably the expertise of the people working on/with the aircraft is more important. Pilots and Maintainers who have worked on the aircraft have knowledge of how certain things work in detail, and probably have access to alot of the documentation that would be useful in creating a DCS module. A lot of this stuff certainly goes along with having access to a real aircraft, but doesn't necessarily require it.

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What about 21cm WfGr?

 

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-674-7772-13A,_Flugzeug_Focke-Wulf_Fw_190,_Bewaffnung.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

During the Q&A session with Nick Grey, the implication was that access to real aircraft was critical. Ref: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207133 (search on that page for the term "real aircraft").

 

 

Glad you found that, I was sure that I remembered that being said. So there are no flying Fw-190D-9 and only three surviving examples, all in U S museums. There are no Me-262 of any variant flying and of the surviving examples, less than 10, no two the same, almost all are in national museums. As far as I can tell, there are no surviving Bf-109K-4, let alone an airworthy example. So by that criteria we should not be getting any of them. My fear is that we will have one inflexible standard for allied aircraft and a second, more flexible one for the Axis.

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What about 21cm WfGr?
I only know same as you, what's been translated. No mention to that but being already available in Dora why not.

 

 

 

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Glad you found that, I was sure that I remembered that being said. So there are no flying Fw-190D-9 and only three surviving examples, all in U S museums. There are no Me-262 of any variant flying and of the surviving examples, less than 10, no two the same, almost all are in national museums. As far as I can tell, there are no surviving Bf-109K-4, let alone an airworthy example. So by that criteria we should not be getting any of them. My fear is that we will have one inflexible standard for allied aircraft and a second, more flexible one for the Axis.
Come on mates, access to real aircraft is usually critical from ED's standpoint, but it's even more critical having access to wind tunnel data and all German aircraft has wind tunnel data from NACA I think. Fw190 isn't any wildly unknown thing, on the contrary it's a very well documented subject and even D-9 wings data is valid for A-8. I'm sure if they are into this they pretty much know what they need and probably already have it.

 

 

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So, now is clear that next WWII plane will be Fw 190A-8, great news! :thumbup:

Hopefully we do not wait too long for her :)

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Hopefully we do not wait too long for her :)

 

+1 definitely looking forward to it.

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DCS 190 A8

 

Ohhhh baby !

 

It’s good news isn’t it. Looking forward to it. To me the D-9 never looked right, I know it’s a respected aeroplane but I shall enjoy flying the radial engined variant more. It looked great.

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Wouldn't the Stuka be out-of-place on the western front in '44-'45?

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