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A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't?

 

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A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't?

 

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same im more of a mustang fan myself myself because its overall a more rounded aircraft, whilst still being suited to "boom and zoom" as you say. Plus it turns better too, the P47 will be more bricky than the 51.

 

 

 

 

The P47 will be a better Fighter/bomber( more ordinance carry capacity) and have X2 extra guns basically.

 

Also the P47 has a better high altitude performance because of a larger turbo charger. ( service ceiling up to 40,000 feet) BUt given fights dont happen too often at 30,000 feet or higher. Unless you setup escort mission where axis mission goal have to scramble and shoot down bombers at 20,000 feet or higher. and not merely engage fighters in a2a combat.


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Hmm...the Jug will be an intimidating aircraft while on the ground side-by-side with the other props, though. And as for missions where axis fighters have to climb, try the Storm of War server on 2.1. July 23rd is when it's open, I think. They have a forum and website of their own if you want to check. Great missions.

 

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A lot of people are saying the P-47 would be a great Boom and Zoom aircraft, but apparently the Mustang is a better climber than the P-47D. From http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org, the P-51's climb rate from sea level was 3,600ft, while the P-47 (couldn't find the D variant) was roughly 3,000ft from sea level. Is it going to gain speed a lot better than the Mustang in a dive, or what? To be honest, I don't see what's going to make the Thunderbolt such a great boom and zoom aircraft, compared to the Messerschmitt, or focke-wulf. What can the Thunderbolt do that the Messerschmitt, focke-wulf, Mustang, or Spitfire can't?

 

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You're quoting sustained climb rate, though, which is irrelevant in this context (and all versions were between "poor" and "barely acceptable" in this regard indeed).

 

What is relevant - P-47 is usually quoted to be the fastest diver of them all in both acceleration and speed by quite a margin, which then converted into an excellent zoom climb capability. Mustang will fall behind, while Spit might as well be considered a paraglider ;).

 

I don't think it will make a big difference against late-war German hot-rods we have in the game at the moment, but it will be interesting to see how people employ this plane in combat.

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Also the P-47 has water injection. Is it MW-50? Or just water sprayed into the compressor impeller to increase the air density?

 

MW-50 would make more sense since the methanol gives anti freezing capabilities plus the extra combustion. Iirc it has 11 minutes of pure power!

 

EDIT: I forgot the anti pre-ignition effect.

 

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P-47 is usually quoted to be the fastest diver of them all in both acceleration and speed by quite a margin, which then converted into an excellent zoom climb capability.

 

What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility?

 

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What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility?

 

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The P-47 should had lower mach number (at least until the -N). The VNE was around 500 mph IAS but lower at the height increase.

The main atributes of the jug in the dive was the phenomenal acceleration and very good control up to the critical mach number. But one had to be careful with speed and angle of dive as diving too steeply could lead into a irrecuparable situation.

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What about compressibility? The DCS Mustang can reach speeds up to 470MPH before I have to gently pull up to prevent overspeeding. I've found the Pony to hit 530MPH before the control surfaces (gracefully) fall away. How will the P-47 compare to the 51 as far as compressibility?

 

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Contemporary accounts say that after entering a dive, the Jug reached maximum speed sooner, and that the Mustang in practice would never quite catch up. Of course, in combat, you might be willing to push it to the limits and beyond.

 

However, both were considered significantly better than the (combustion engine powered) opposition and other Allied fighter types in this regard (possibly excepting the Tempest).

 

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Dive recovery flaps were standard on the D-30. Hopefully this will allow Thunderbolt pilots to escape compressibility at will.

 

The Thunderbolt is said to be the greater diver but there is no evidence for this claim from WW2. However the Mustang X and P-47C were tested equal in a dive after picking up enough speed where the aircrafts power to weight ratios became irrelevant. The second comparison was done in the 1970s, IIRC. The article stated that the P-47 out dived the P-51 while starting and a slower speed of 10knots.

 

I'd guess the P-47 would be equal to or greater than the P-51 in a dive.

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Contemporary accounts say that after entering a dive, the Jug reached maximum speed sooner, and that the Mustang in practice would never quite catch up. Of course, in combat, you might be willing to push it to the limits and beyond.

 

However, both were considered significantly better than the (combustion engine powered) opposition and other Allied fighter types in this regard (possibly excepting the Tempest).

 

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Was just watching a WW2 training video available from numerous sources showing High altitude flight and aerobatics in the P47.

 

I found the part where they discuss the speed limitations for various altitudes interesting. I got the impression that the speeds were more for someone new to the plane. That the plane could exceed those speeds , but with care. Could just be me.

 

In any case. Converting IAS to mach you come up with .74 at ISA. I know CAS or EAS would be better, but I thought .74 limit for new to the plane pilots pretty impressive.

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Was just watching a WW2 training video available from numerous sources showing High altitude flight and aerobatics in the P47.

 

I found the part where they discuss the speed limitations for various altitudes interesting. I got the impression that the speeds were more for someone new to the plane. That the plane could exceed those speeds , but with care. Could just be me.

 

In any case. Converting IAS to mach you come up with .74 at ISA. I know CAS or EAS would be better, but I thought .74 limit for new to the plane pilots pretty impressive.

 

P-47s were known for hot rodding.

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Do we know when the P-47 will be released ?......is it on for 2017,or further ahead up the road ?

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No timeline yet. Sooner the better of course, especially with Normandy and German equipment to kick around :)

 

 

Thanks for the reply Sithspawn,much appreciated dear chap......I have a feeling the P-47D will be quite a popular module.

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I'll be flying that thing a LOT

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Heck, from the sound of things, I was hoping for THIS year.

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Agreed,it would be nice to see something from the devs table.

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