shagrat Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) (...)In reality, even if the pilot loses the vision he's still concious and can act on the controls.. thing that can be seen in my above Spitfire vid and not so much on the 109. (...) *cough* interesting. Where did you get the idea, that with the brain shutting down for lack of oxygenated blood -which is quite well represented, by the "vision" fading out into "darkness" - you can control anything?! The root cause for the "black out" is that you fall unconscious. I fell unconscious once in my live, believe me, the moment the vision fades you struggle to keep upright but can't and next you remember is somebody looming over your face asking you if you are hurt from the fall. And I did not even remember falling. And this is nothing like a G-Induced blackout. You may want to watch this. Details a bit better what I mean, than I can write here. EDIT part 2 of the video for convenience Edited March 15, 2017 by shagrat Added Part 2 of the video Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 So we need to add the black out to the Spitfire. With no G-suit you need to be very careful to not pull G over more than a few seconds, or you black out. THIS is my problem! In the K4 I black out suddenly, even when I release the stick, nothing like that happens in the other modules.. Spitty is just an example where I can pull constant Gs with the confidence that I'll stay awake, where it should be vice versa. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 *cough* interesting. Where did you get the idea, that with the brain shutting down for lack of oxygenated blood -which is quite well represented, by the "vision" fading out into "darkness" - you can control anything?! The root cause for the "black out" is that you fall unconscious. I fell unconscious once in my live, believe me, the moment the vision fades you struggle to keep upright but can't and next you remember is somebody looming over your face asking you if you are hurt from the fall. And I did not even remember falling. And this is nothing like a G-Induced blackout. You may want to watch this. Details a bit better what I mean, than I can write here. I beg your pardon, Sir.. please indulge in reading this exquisite piece of document. https://dokumente.unibw.de/pub/bscw.cgi/d5424463/ASEM_1995_66(7)_675-7.pdf Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I beg your pardon, Sir.. please indulge in reading this exquisite piece of document. https://dokumente.unibw.de/pub/bscw.cgi/d5424463/ASEM_1995_66(7)_675-7.pdf Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Nice paper, but it just says pretty much the same. Greyout (loss of peripheral vision) is an indication for a coming G-LOC, so if you just relax the stick a bit you reduce the G-forces, but you can only prolong the inevitable a bit. The blood already gone from your upper body causing a desaturation of oxygen in the brain is not reverted by the reducing the G-forces a bit. It gives you a few seconds more before the brain blacks out. What I was referring to, originally was the comment about being able to control a plane during blackout/G-Loc. As the document says, even after recovery pilots had issues, including control of movements, vision, hearing etc. Which isn't modeled. The general problem with G-forces is, we only have the visuals as indicaters in DCS. So if the peripheral vision is affected it is a signal to release the stick to a point where the vision clears again. The longer you stay in the regime where your vision is impaired, the more likely a G-LOC occurs. I agree, we should have a consistent behaviour on G-forces in similar situations. One thing to notice is, that I've read in a thread ED have modeled G-resilience training, so if you turn a couple turns with high G's the pilot is taking subsequent maneuvers better and can sustain high G's a bit better. But I never tested this myself. Edited March 14, 2017 by shagrat Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Are these issues addressed, at least internally.. just curious. Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD-MM Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I Poke this also again, because one of most anoying things in the 109 when you fly manual Prob Pitch..also Track needed? Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted February 8, 2019 ED Team Share Posted February 8, 2019 Yes, attach some tracks please, I tried out internal dev build and wasnt able to operate anything, but maybe I am missing something, so please if you have them. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD-MM Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 For manual Prob Pitch you have to push the Button with higher or lower Prob Angle, When you go in to black out Pilot is falling asleep on the Button kills every Time you engine... As example when you increase blade angle from Prob, and you go in to Black out the it will increase the Prob Pitch without Player input all the Way up or down to the Point you wake Up again.. Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted February 8, 2019 ED Team Share Posted February 8, 2019 I tried but will give it another go shortly here. I see, you have to be doing it at the time of blacking out, copy. Will see if its reported, and report as needed. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdstrike Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) ok...look at the videos NineLine shown above! if you start to lower your flaps before blacking out, the virtual pilot will continue to turn the wheel even when blacked out...so for example you had the flaps at lets say 10° at the moment when the blackout starts, and when you become conscious again, the flaps are fully down. same is true for the prop pitch, if you manipulate the prop pitch in the moment the pilot is blacking out, he will continue to increase or decrease the prop pitch while blacked out. resulting in either over-reving the engine with possible engine failure, or ending up with ridiculously low rpm..100% reproducable every single time since the release of the module. Edited February 8, 2019 by birdstrike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogonaut Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 its reported, thx nineline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD-MM Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Guess this will be fixed next Year Edited December 30, 2021 by MAD-MM 1 Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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