Swordfish Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Hi, Having lots of problems rearming the countermeasures in MP- used all chaff and flares. I use the ground crew menu option through the radiom order my loadout then go into the rearm menu (not touching the flare & chaff counters as instructed) and get fuel and loadout. no CM ever gets loaded, no chaff no flare. In kneeboard the CM's are listed as being there. Ive tried setting the Rearm menu chaff and flare to 60Flare and 140chaff (as it is at mission start), again no joy. Can anyone help with this? Edited June 26, 2020 by IronMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Could you try rearming and refueling first, then reloading CMs with the radio menu? See if that works please. Thanks. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 I should still leave the rearm menu flares and chaff alone correct? If they are empty or reduced i mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Ive tried using the groundcrew menu after rearming - no joy Tried rearming, using groundcrew, then rearming again- No countermeasures loaded again. So basically atm im having to reslot in MP just to load CM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 also have just tried using the groundcrew menu - again no luck. I noted in the manual if you have a RiO you have to press the reset switch for 5 seconds. Perhaps jester is not doing this? I also tried changing various jest options in the CMS menu- again no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 13 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I am having the same issue. Countermeasures are not rearming after I have landed and rearmed in MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 But in SP it does work for you? Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 13 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 CMS also don't rearm in SP. Its easy to replicate this issue. My CMS were set to 60 flares and 140 chaff in the rearm menu I took off with Jester in the backseat I was able to drop 60 flares. Landed back at base. Ream menu displayed the CMS quantity at 0 Flare 140 chaff Changed the CMS back to 60 flares and 140 chaff When I took off again I was unable to drop any flares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 CMS also don't rearm in SP. Its easy to replicate this issue. My CMS were set to 60 flares and 140 chaff in the rearm menu I took off with Jester in the backseat I was able to drop 60 flares. Landed back at base. Ream menu displayed the CMS quantity at 0 Flare 140 chaff Changed the CMS back to 60 flares and 140 chaff When I took off again I was unable to drop any flares Due to how the countermeasures are in the F-14, you are not supposed to use the sliders, but the radio menu option. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 13 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Ok, can you please clarify the steps needed to rearm CMS after they have been used? My teammates and I have tried both the radio option and slider to reload the CMS after a sortie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 I Have also tried the rearm in SP. I have not touched the rearm window - its shows 0 chaff and 0 flares. Rearm using the radio groundcrew menu. CM's do not fire Does the same thing in MP as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant07 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 To add to this discussion I have seen the no rearm of CM during multiplayer. Steps taken to re-arm were as follows: 1)Open the AN/ALE-39 menu via the ground crew and select the desired CM load-out (10 chaff, 50 flares) 2)Open rearm/refuel menu and select fuel state and ordnance 3)When rearming is complete, check kneeboard for CM dials. (This would show the same info as before unless different amounts are chosen. ex. L10 C, L20 F, R10 C, R20 F) 4)RIO changes the programmer dials if needed to and/or holds reset on the AN/ALE programmer for 5 seconds and reset the counter dials We then takeoff and find out we have no countermeasures. Not sure if we did the steps wrong, or if this is indeed a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 To add to this discussion I have seen the no rearm of CM during multiplayer. Steps taken to re-arm were as follows: 1)Open the AN/ALE-39 menu via the ground crew and select the desired CM load-out (10 chaff, 50 flares) 2)Open rearm/refuel menu and select fuel state and ordnance 3)When rearming is complete, check kneeboard for CM dials. (This would show the same info as before unless different amounts are chosen. ex. L10 C, L20 F, R10 C, R20 F) 4)RIO changes the programmer dials if needed to and/or holds reset on the AN/ALE programmer for 5 seconds and reset the counter dials We then takeoff and find out we have no countermeasures. Not sure if we did the steps wrong, or if this is indeed a bug. Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? Does not work in both MP and SP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant07 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? I was under the impression the CM had to be done first so that something changes on the jet for it to take effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 I was under the impression the CM had to be done first so that something changes on the jet for it to take effect. You do. But no methods work. CM do not rearm whatever method you try and use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Countermeasure Ream not working in MP or SP As per this thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4206193&mode=linear#post4206193 Swordfish 02-12-2020 02:19 PM Countermeasure Rearm in MP Hi, Having lots of problems rearming the countermeasures in MP- used all chaff and flares. I use the ground crew menu option through the radiom order my loadout then go into the rearm menu (not touching the flare & chaff counters as instructed) and get fuel and loadout. no CM ever gets loaded, no chaff no flare. In kneeboard the CM's are listed as being there. Ive tried setting the Rearm menu chaff and flare to 60Flare and 140chaff (as it is at mission start), again no joy. Can anyone help with this? IronMike 02-12-2020 03:11 PM Could you try rearming and refueling first, then reloading CMs with the radio menu? See if that works please. Thanks. Swordfish 02-12-2020 04:06 PM I should still leave the rearm menu flares and chaff alone correct? If they are empty or reduced i mean Swordfish 02-12-2020 05:35 PM Ive tried using the groundcrew menu after rearming - no joy Tried rearming, using groundcrew, then rearming again- No countermeasures loaded again. So basically atm im having to reslot in MP just to load CM's. Swordfish 02-12-2020 05:45 PM also have just tried using the groundcrew menu - again no luck. I noted in the manual if you have a RiO you have to press the reset switch for 5 seconds. Perhaps jester is not doing this? I also tried changing various jest options in the CMS menu- again no luck. Viper 13 02-12-2020 08:04 PM I am having the same issue. Countermeasures are not rearming after I have landed and rearmed in MP IronMike 02-13-2020 03:34 AM But in SP it does work for you? Viper 13 02-13-2020 08:19 AM CMS also don't rearm in SP. Its easy to replicate this issue. My CMS were set to 60 flares and 140 chaff in the rearm menu I took off with Jester in the backseat I was able to drop 60 flares. Landed back at base. Ream menu displayed the CMS quantity at 0 Flare 140 chaff Changed the CMS back to 60 flares and 140 chaff When I took off again I was unable to drop any flares IronMike 02-13-2020 11:55 AM Due to how the countermeasures are in the F-14, you are not supposed to use the sliders, but the radio menu option. Viper 13 02-13-2020 12:58 PM Ok, can you please clarify the steps needed to rearm CMS after they have been used? My teammates and I have tried both the radio option and slider to reload the CMS after a sortie. Swordfish 02-13-2020 09:27 PM I Have also tried the rearm in SP. I have not touched the rearm window - its shows 0 chaff and 0 flares. Rearm using the radio groundcrew menu. CM's do not fire Does the same thing in MP as well Tyrant07 02-14-2020 04:08 AM To add to this discussion I have seen the no rearm of CM during multiplayer. Steps taken to re-arm were as follows: 1)Open the AN/ALE-39 menu via the ground crew and select the desired CM load-out (10 chaff, 50 flares) 2)Open rearm/refuel menu and select fuel state and ordnance 3)When rearming is complete, check kneeboard for CM dials. (This would show the same info as before unless different amounts are chosen. ex. L10 C, L20 F, R10 C, R20 F) 4)RIO changes the programmer dials if needed to and/or holds reset on the AN/ALE programmer for 5 seconds and reset the counter dials We then takeoff and find out we have no countermeasures. Not sure if we did the steps wrong, or if this is indeed a bug. QuiGon 02-14-2020 11:02 AM Quote: Originally Posted by Tyrant07 (Post 4208074) To add to this discussion I have seen the no rearm of CM during multiplayer. Steps taken to re-arm were as follows: 1)Open the AN/ALE-39 menu via the ground crew and select the desired CM load-out (10 chaff, 50 flares) 2)Open rearm/refuel menu and select fuel state and ordnance 3)When rearming is complete, check kneeboard for CM dials. (This would show the same info as before unless different amounts are chosen. ex. L10 C, L20 F, R10 C, R20 F) 4)RIO changes the programmer dials if needed to and/or holds reset on the AN/ALE programmer for 5 seconds and reset the counter dials We then takeoff and find out we have no countermeasures. Not sure if we did the steps wrong, or if this is indeed a bug. Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? Swordfish 02-15-2020 12:27 AM Quote: Originally Posted by QuiGon (Post 4208299) Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? Does not work in both MP and SP Tyrant07 02-15-2020 02:42 AM Quote: Originally Posted by QuiGon (Post 4208299) Aren't you supposed to first rearm/refuel and then select the desired CM loadout when rearming/refueling has finished? I was under the impression the CM had to be done first so that something changes on the jet for it to take effect. Swordfish 02-15-2020 12:17 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Tyrant07 (Post 4209847) I was under the impression the CM had to be done first so that something changes on the jet for it to take effect. You do. But no methods work. CM do not rearm whatever method you try and use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earnil Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Due to how the countermeasures are in the F-14, you are not supposed to use the sliders, but the radio menu option. Here's a track file showcasing the countermeasure issue, in SP, using F8 menu to rearm. It doesn't work - the rearm doesn't work. I have tried any combination of using just F8 -> F6 menu, F8 -> F1 menu, doesn't work. As you can see, in the trackfile I did use the F8 -> F6 method, then rearmed the jet without touching the CMS setting - if I understand it correctly, this is the right method. This is really extremely annoying bug, especially for MP, since it takes 2 years to start and fuel the jet. Thanks a lot in advance, hopefully you guys can have a look.F14 CMS Test.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earnil Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Sorry for the bump but can anyone at last acknowledge this is a bug? Or are we doing anything wrong with the rearm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL0083 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Correctly follow the utter procedure this morning and none attempt goes intact on both SP or MP, have been downed many times for un-aware of expended decoy without being reloaded at recent days. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itzo Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Still an issue for us, although we're on 2.5.5 because of all the other bugs so. Are you guys in 2.5.6 and are still having this issue? DCS World 2.5.x | F-14 | F/A-18C | AV-8B | AJS-37 | A10C | M-2000C | F-15C | MiG-21 | Hawk | FW190 | BF109K | Spitfire Mk. IX | P-51D | Gazelle | UH-1H | MI-8 | BS | CA | Persian Gulf | Normandy | NTTR Win10-x64 | ASUS Strix Z270H Gaming | Intel i7-7700K | Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC | Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB DDR4 | SSD Samsung 850 | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Pedals | Oculus Rift CV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earnil Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I was told that maybe my procedure was not entirely correct, so hopefully this is the track with correct procedure. After expanding all flares 1) Refuel / Rearm the jet 2) I'm not touching the sliders at all 3) Use the F8 - > F6 menu to reset the CMs. Still doesn't work, unfortunately. This is with Jester.F14 CMS Test v2.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL0083 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just gets new update and decoy reload remains not yet............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphabet_Ghost Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 same problem,selecte ale-39 louadout not working.. I7-4790K | RTX2070 | Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog | 24G DDR3 | 東芝 TOSHIBA HG5d M.2 256GB SSD | Q200 EX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earnil Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 My apologies for the bump, but would it be possible at least acknowledge that this is being looked into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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