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Old 09-02-2019, 08:20 PM   #11
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I just read about this. Will it be worth it to drop $500+ on the 3900x if its falsely advertised?

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Old 09-02-2019, 09:15 PM   #12
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I would still buy one if my trusty 8700k died, no doubt.

It's basically this: Why did AMD claim Turbo Boost values above what they must have known will work in such a manner that it is understood by the consumer, reviewer, plain everybody.
The chip is so good that it would still sell great, which they really do, if the Turbo Clock was advertised 100 or even 200MHz lower.

Now AMD has a PR disaster. They must come forward and explain. If they dont, it will likely turn against them.

Again, those chips must be great and I would not hesitate to buy or recommend one for a new build.
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Old 09-03-2019, 02:06 PM   #13
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Smells like a smear campaign to me.

AMD's new CPUs (and GPUs) are so popular they aren't able to keep up with the demand. The performance for the price is far ahead of Intel / Nvidia. Yes Nvidia and Intel are still faster, but you pay approximately 25-40% more for a ~5% performance increase, hardly worth it.

It would only make sense that some social media influencers are doing what they are paid to do - influencing. You basically can't trust what happens on social media. 1) they are trying their best to create controversy, because that's what gets the most views for them 2) they are paid to say certain things, which is why one day their sing praise about about Intel, and next day about AMD. It's essentially a product commercial.

Still, it'll be interesting how all this plays out.
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:47 PM   #14
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AMD responded:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...re-update.html
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:50 PM   #15
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Smells like a smear campaign to me.

AMD's new CPUs (and GPUs) are so popular they aren't able to keep up with the demand. The performance for the price is far ahead of Intel / Nvidia. Yes Nvidia and Intel are still faster, but you pay approximately 25-40% more for a ~5% performance increase, hardly worth it.

It would only make sense that some social media influencers are doing what they are paid to do - influencing. You basically can't trust what happens on social media. 1) they are trying their best to create controversy, because that's what gets the most views for them 2) they are paid to say certain things, which is why one day their sing praise about about Intel, and next day about AMD. It's essentially a product commercial.

Still, it'll be interesting how all this plays out.
No, I disagree.

H. Bauer has no interest in either Intel or AMD sales, it's just that he has access to hundreds of CPU at Caseking, has access to feedback from actual customers ( and their complaints ) and that together with his own findings led him to make this survey.
I agree that many times it is like you say, but Bauer doesnt need that kind of attention.
You should listen to what he says in the video I linked. I watched both, DE and EN version, I admit, in the german version he talks a bit more about circumstances but they roughly have the same coverage of what why when etc...

He's just honest, regardless. And that I like a lot.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:04 PM   #16
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My 3600 is boosting to 4240MHz on all cores, just saying...

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Old 09-03-2019, 05:14 PM   #17
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Here's the outcome of Der Bauer's survey ( in english ) about Ryzen 3000's Boost behavior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSoZAdk_E8

in short: AMD has no solution, neither have the board vendors


There is also a version in german, which I watched btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5DXbhD3h3A
Right now, AMD is out shipping Intel in CPUs and nVidia in GPUs at the same time, this has never happened before.

AMD Ryzen 3000s are outselling Intel in Kit/DiY Builder sales (Intel has small lead in Partner sales (Dell, HP etc), which is gonna change soon as well, as AMD Signed a revision contract with both Dell and HP.

The Boost problem on the 3000 Series is a small problem and only really affects people that benchmark, people that build to use it for work and games likely wont see any day to day problems.

AMD isnt going to say they have a fix before they do, they learned from FX Series, when they kept saying they had a fix in BIOS Updates or Windows Patches and it was never a fix.

Which lead to the AMD Core Count Class Action Law Suit.

The Result of that was a payout of $38 / Per Chip to Consumers, but not a cash payout, but in a internet security package. (yeah, I got 3 FX Chips still).

And TBH, I dont use the "Stage Boosts"

I have Profiles in Ryzen Master, The Default, Gaming, Media Processing and Power Conservation Modes.

Each Profile has their own Overclock (and underclock), and in the Case of Gaming (Mainly DCS), the SMT is Disabled / Enabled on each profile.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:19 PM   #18
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FWIW I just recently updated my 1700X bios and there was a 4.0GHz preset OC, so I tried it and it is stable, whereas I only figured out how to get 3.8ish on my own. AMD's bios does seem to have the habit of getting a little better with age, so even if they screwed up with false promises, with bios updates maybe those chips will reach their advertised speeds?

In case anyone is curious about the OC preset, I have an ASUS Hero VI.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:23 PM   #19
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As of an Hour Ago:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...fix,40308.html
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:29 PM   #20
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Meh, always use AMD, always will.


Just upgraded this weekend to a Ryzen 7, did a mild TPU boost, and the RAM memory and CPU memory processor speeds are spot on.


CPU vs. Input Voltage timings and over-clocking have always been hit or miss. When they test the wafer/die they just punch them all with voltage and input freq to see which ones can hit it, and bin them accordingly.

Runs great and way more affordable than Intel. Noticed an immediate improvement in DCS for nothing more than a board and processor upgrade.
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