CrypticVillain Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Was wondering what peoples thoughts were, (particularly ED, mvsgas and shadowXP) on using the CIRCA 2008 systems update instead of 2007 so our f-16 could use JSOW's. Just thought that would balance the playing field with the f-18 a little more as far as loadout is concerned. Obviously just asking for obvious reasons why this wouldn't be a good idea? I'm sure there is lots of complex issues that would prevent this or make it very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 JSOW is back on the list Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share Posted May 22, 2019 JSOW is back on the list Woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) Granted based on the new updated feature list it will only be the JSOW -A ( cluster) and B ( anti Armor) versions , and no C " unitary" ( IR seeker based with autonomous guidance post launch), as that is the variant that seems to have entered service after 2007 for F16C's. But don't get me wrong, i am glad ED has reconsidered the earlier versions of JSOW for the F16. Edited May 22, 2019 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 22, 2019 ED Team Share Posted May 22, 2019 As far as I am aware, 2007 is the latest version we can do based on available allowable information. So no amount of threads or posts will change this at this time. If that were to change during development, I am sure we could see the type we are getting change, similar to the change of CJ to CM, etc. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbrood Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Granted based on the new updated feature list it will only be the JSOW -A ( cluster) and B ( anti Armor) versions, and no C " unitary" I'm sure the JSOW-C is USN only - I'm sure I read an article that specified the USAF only used the -A (-B was canceled, I believe), and orders for the -A themselves were canceled in 08/08. I'll try to dig up a source. i7-4770k | EVGA GTX 980 SC | 16GB DDR3 | TrackIR 5, TM Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals DCS: F-16C, F/A-18C, F-14A/B, AV-8B, FC3, A-10C, Black Shark II, UH-1H, F-86F, MiG-21bis, Mirage 2000C, AJS-37, F-5E :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 change of CJ to CM Sorry, what's this about? sent from Moto G5 using Tapatalk DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Sorry, what's this about? sent from Moto G5 using Tapatalk Block 50 and 52 aircraft used to be covered by the CJ series of tech orders. After the CCIP mod, the USAF Block 40, 42, 50, and 52 aircraft are now covered by the CM series of technical orders. Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 "technical orders"? DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I don’t care about JASSM, JSOW, CFT etc., i may even prefer to have some older block like 30 or 40 suitable for cold war / Desert Storm scenarios – and realistic counterpart for the Red side in MP – MiG-29, Su-27, MiG-21bis, MiG-23 MLA etc. Or even light and nimble F-16A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 "technical orders"? Technical Orders are a USAF term used in the ordering process. I'm sure other branches have their version, usually they all have different names. Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I don’t care about JASSM, JSOW, CFT etc., i may even prefer to have some older block like 30 or 40 suitable for cold war / Desert Storm scenarios – and realistic counterpart for the Red side in MP – MiG-29, Su-27, MiG-21bis, MiG-23 MLA etc. Or even light and nimble F-16A.Why not JASSM and JSOW? sent from Moto G5 using Tapatalk DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Why not JASSM and JSOW? sent from Moto G5 using Tapatalk Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking why not both? Or are you asking why the other poster does not care if they are in? Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking why not both? Or are you asking why the other poster does not care if they are in?Your 2nd question. sent from Moto G5 using Tapatalk DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Technical Orders are a USAF term used in the ordering process. I'm sure other branches have their version, usually they all have different names. Technical Orders are the manuals that tells me how to operate said equipment, and how to fix it when things go wrong. However, a lot of the books are still broken down with C / CG/ CJ. The flight manual and a few others have the combined CM designation. Also the JSOW is on the list of weapons again. Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacoGrease Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I understand that people have different reasons for wanting different versions/blocks, but personally I was excited about having the most modern jet conceivably possible in DCS. And apart from Sniper, aren’t the differences between the 2007 F-16 and later ones just software based? Is that a surmountable problem? 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra - G.Skill RJ 32GB (16x2) DDR4 3200 - Ryzen 2700X 4.2Ghz OC - Corsair H100i Pro - Samsung 970 EVO M.2 2TB - TMW HOTAS w Delta Sim - F/A-18C grip - 10cm Sahaj - TrackIR 5 Pro - Rift CV1 - MFG CWind - BuddyFox UFC - DSD RK II - Cougar MFDs w/ LCDs - Foxx Mounts - VPC MongoosT-50CM base - Maps: NTTR, Persian Gulf, Normandy - Modules: FC3, F-14A/B, F/A-18C, AV-8B, A-10C, F-16C, F-86, KA-50, P-51D, WWII assets, and [insert campaign name] Dreaming of the F-15E / F-14D / Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted May 24, 2019 ED Team Share Posted May 24, 2019 I understand that people have different reasons for wanting different versions/blocks, but personally I was excited about having the most modern jet conceivably possible in DCS. And apart from Sniper, aren’t the differences between the 2007 F-16 and later ones just software based? Is that a surmountable problem? It's not always whether not ED can model it, it's whether or not they should be based on contracts and people they are working with. I can bring up the A-10C in this case, being locked into a certain software version, and not allowed to model certain things for the public version. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) It's not always whether not ED can model it, it's whether or not they should be based on contracts and people they are working with. I can bring up the A-10C in this case, being locked into a certain software version, and not allowed to model certain things for the public version. but that was different. A10C was a consumer offshoot of an official Gov't contract for a ANG desktop trainer, where upon the agreement signed had to remove Laser mavericks ( honestly a catch 22 since E mavs are thing for FA18 ) and model Software suite 3.0 instead of 5.0 which would have had digital radios. AFAIK as wags or anyone's stated ( or not stated) unlike the A10C, the F16C blk 50 is purely a consumer grade product for the civilian sim market, built on publicly available documentation. Id surmise this is the most available information they have for this specific time period. Edited May 24, 2019 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 but that was different. It's not different. Contracts are still contracts. It doesn't matter if they are offshoots of a goverment contract or are made directly for the public version. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 It's not different. Contracts are still contracts. It doesn't matter if they are offshoots of a goverment contract or are made directly for the public version. Yes it is. Unless ed make a f16 for Gov. I dont see what s separate contract would have do do with a totally different project, of which contract would not make any reference to Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) Yes it is. Unless ed make a f16 for Gov. I dont see what s separate contract would have do do with a totally different project, of which contract would not make any reference to a contract to build X product has not a "free to all", you can be signed some rules and conditions on your contract. Edited May 24, 2019 by Silver_Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonFox Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm assuming it's all based on available information or lack there of. This is likely why ED can't do a more up-to-date version with systems like the JASSM or the APG-68 (V9). F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Wags Posted May 24, 2019 ED Team Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm assuming it's all based on available information or lack there of. This is likely why ED can't do a more up-to-date version with systems like the JASSM or the APG-68 (V9). No, it all comes down to available data that we are comfortable using. As such, we must stick to a 2007 based on the very public available sources. Thanks Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacoGrease Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 “Comfortable using” from a legal perspective? No, it all comes down to available data that we are comfortable using. As such, we must stick to a 2007 based on the very public available sources. Thanks 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra - G.Skill RJ 32GB (16x2) DDR4 3200 - Ryzen 2700X 4.2Ghz OC - Corsair H100i Pro - Samsung 970 EVO M.2 2TB - TMW HOTAS w Delta Sim - F/A-18C grip - 10cm Sahaj - TrackIR 5 Pro - Rift CV1 - MFG CWind - BuddyFox UFC - DSD RK II - Cougar MFDs w/ LCDs - Foxx Mounts - VPC MongoosT-50CM base - Maps: NTTR, Persian Gulf, Normandy - Modules: FC3, F-14A/B, F/A-18C, AV-8B, A-10C, F-16C, F-86, KA-50, P-51D, WWII assets, and [insert campaign name] Dreaming of the F-15E / F-14D / Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 “Comfortable using” from a legal perspective? No he means comfortable from a physical perspective. :doh: DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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