WildBillKelsoe Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hi, Which is better of these to make use of during the sale. 1- Spitfire 2- AJS Viggen 3- Campaigns TTQ, ATTQ, Oil field, The Border? Relic? etc.. note: I do NOT have NTTR or Normandy. So my emphasis is to really get one craft preferably without campaign, then shift focus to a campaign. BTW I really liked the Su-27 Ultimate Argument it is light years ahead of the vanilla campaign also for Su-27. Also, why are there no campaigns for F-5E-3 in Caucasus? Why do I need to have to buy the BFM in Nevada? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Hard to compare those 2 totally different airframes, but there are some similarities: Both are detailed, high quality addons. Both Spitfire and Viggen are quite heavy on FPS, Spit has some optimization issues, Viggen probably because of high quality detailed cockpit. Both are still in beta and haven't seen much updates in the recent months which is a bit worrying. There's definitely more to do and more to learn with the Viggen, but it is designed for a very specific mission profile (hit&run) that may not be your style. Edited July 16, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hard to compare those 2 totally different airframes, but there are some similarities: Both are detailed, high quality addons. Both Spitfire and Viggen are quite heavy on FPS, Spit has some optimization issues, Viggen probably because of high quality detailed cockpit. Both are still in beta and haven't seen much updates in the recent months which is a bit worrying. There's definitely more to do and more to learn with the Viggen, but it is designed for a very specific mission profile (hit&run) that may not be your style. Aha! So the Viggen can not loiter like A-10s for example? No AAR capability? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) No AAR, Sweden is not that big ;) It takes a lot of fuel internally, as long as you don't use afterburner zone 3. The weapon system is designed to approach the target at low altitude, fire all the ordnance at one pass (two at most) and get the hell out of there. Not for CAS like the A-10. For example: - No internal gun, and gunpods are big & heavy. - can't take mixed payload with one exception of guns and mavericks. - can't drop single bomb or rocket, they always go in salvo. But it has nice selection of guided munitions, A2G radar and of course very capable antiship weapons. :) It's an interesting airplane, unlike anything else that's currently in DCS. Spitfire doesn't even have bombs implemented, at least not yet. Edited July 16, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) Hi, Which is better of these to make use of during the sale. 1- Spitfire 2- AJS Viggen 3- Campaigns TTQ, ATTQ, Oil field, The Border? Relic? etc.. note: I do NOT have NTTR or Normandy. The Campaigns are not on sale, so I would concentrate on the aircrafts for now and get the Campaigns when they do are in Sale ... you will still need plenty of time with the training missions, then the single missions and, in the case of the Viggen, on the Forum is a mini-campaign made by ragnar-da (for free) Also, the campaigns that you mentioned: none of them are for the Viggen or Spit ... I understand that soon ED will release one for the Spit (the user Bunyap is working on it), but it isnt available yet. Edited July 16, 2017 by Rudel_chw For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 No AAR, Sweden is not that big ;) It takes a lot of fuel internally, as long as you don't use afterburner zone 3. The weapon system is designed to approach the target at low altitude, fire all the ordnance at one pass (two at most) and get the hell out of there. Not for CAS like the A-10. For example: - No internal gun, and gunpods are big & heavy. - can't take mixed payload with one exception of guns and mavericks. - can't drop single bomb or rocket, they always go in salvo. But it has nice selection of guided munitions, A2G radar and of course very capable antiship weapons. :) It's an interesting airplane, unlike anything else that's currently in DCS. Spitfire doesn't even have bombs implemented, at least not yet. Hmm.. tough choice, considering I enjoy CAS and tank busting.. OK, which of them would more likely work without problems? More finished so to speak. The Campaigns are not on sale, so I would concentrate on the aircrafts for now and get the Campaigns when they do are in Sale ... you will still need plenty of time with the training missions, then the single missions and, in the case of the Viggen, on the Forum is a mini-campaign made by ragnar-da (for free) Also, the campaigns that you mentioned: none of them are for the Viggen or Spit ... I understand that soon ED will release one for the Spit (the user Bunyap is working on it), but it isnt available yet. Ah yes, Bunyap, he's been researching both Luftwaffe bases and apparently a RAF squadron. Great fellow. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hmm.. tough choice, considering I enjoy CAS and tank busting.. OK, which of them would more likely work without problems? More finished so to speak. Hard to say. Both are unfinished. Objectively, the spitfire is more "complete", being a simpler airframe, and made by ED themselves. I don't think there are any missing features apart from external stores and few little bugs. But it has the worst fps on my pc of all DCS airplanes and that awful prop effect that looks terrible and causes issues in VR. The issue has been reported on day 1 of the beta and still hasn't been fixed, so really I can't recommend it in the current state. Viggen doesn't have such glaring issues like that, but many smaller quirks and unfinished items when you start to dig into its systems. It's a proper beta after all, and at the current development pace it will remain so for the rest of the year. For example the manual has half of the illustrations missing and hasn't been updated for half a year. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hard to say. Both are unfinished. Objectively, the spitfire is more "complete", being a simpler airframe, and made by ED themselves. I don't think there are any missing features apart from external stores and few little bugs. But it has the worst fps on my pc of all DCS airplanes and that awful prop effect that looks terrible and causes issues in VR. The issue has been reported on day 1 of the beta and still hasn't been fixed, so really I can't recommend it in the current state. Viggen doesn't have such glaring issues like that, but many smaller quirks and unfinished items when you start to dig into its systems. It's a proper beta after all, and at the current development pace it will remain so for the rest of the year. For example the manual has half of the illustrations missing and hasn't been updated for half a year. Thank you for the summarised version. I think I'll get both while on sale and see which I like more. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Hard to say. Both are unfinished. Objectively, the spitfire is more "complete", being a simpler airframe, and made by ED themselves. I don't think there are any missing features apart from external stores and few little bugs. But it has the worst fps on my pc of all DCS airplanes and that awful prop effect that looks terrible and causes issues in VR. The issue has been reported on day 1 of the beta and still hasn't been fixed, so really I can't recommend it in the current state. Viggen doesn't have such glaring issues like that, but many smaller quirks and unfinished items when you start to dig into its systems. It's a proper beta after all, and at the current development pace it will remain so for the rest of the year. For example the manual has half of the illustrations missing and hasn't been updated for half a year. So the Viggen has more toys to play with but the Spitfire, does it have trim tabs like the P-51 for cruise hands off? Ail/Elev/Rud tabs for trimming? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Hey Wildbill, The Spit has rudder and elevator trim only. Br, Mud Spoiler W10-x64 | Z390 Gigabyte Aorus Ultra | Core i7 9700K @ 4.8Ghz | Noctua NH-D15 Corsair 32Gb 3200 | MSI RTX 3080ti Gaming X Asus Xonar AE | TM Hotas Warthog MFG Crosswind pedals | Valve Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Hey Wildbill, The Spit has rudder and elevator trim only. Br, Mud Thanks Mud. The Viggen does it have INS update points? a CDU or CADC? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 The Viggen has its own navigation system that doesn't have an INS, but works similar. Yes, you can load the route from the editor or program waypoints manually. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 The Viggen has its own navigation system that doesn't have an INS, but works similar. Yes, you can load the route from the editor or program waypoints manually. some1, thank you. does it have a fuel consumption PPH meter? trim controls? Autopilot? I read that cluster munitions were configurable (others?), how configurable? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 PPH I don't remember seeing one, Trim of course yes, autopilot too but a only a simple ATT/ALT hold. BK 90 cluster bomb is configurable, but probably the most bugged weapon right now. I think you should scroll through Chuck's guide :) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=182709 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 thing is I dont want to spoil knowing systems unless I buy it, hence my thread Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Fries Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) The Viggen is my favorite fixed wing aircraft in DCS, and second place isn't close. There are still some early access bugs, but Heatblur has created a masterpiece. With 1.5.7, any multiplayer showstopper bugs are fixed, and it's a joy to fly. Granted, I like the strike mission a lot more than CAS, but I love the tactical employment of the Viggen. You plan ahead of time for a low level, high speed single pass, figure your route (including waypoints to update your navigation solution), and you can fly 50m off the deck at M.85 in mil power using the trim hat to perform standard rate turns with autopilot enabled. The ground radar is also awesome, and with 1.5.7 you can now make out forests. No making out cities yet in 1.5.7 (currently only in Normandy), but we should probably expect that with the merge. EDIT: If this looks like fun, you'll enjoy the Viggen Edited July 20, 2017 by Home Fries -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I have all the aircraft and terrain except for the Viggen and Hawk and am considering one or both. The Viggen looks interesting. Any thoughts on the Hawk? Pro's and cons for either? 6700K@4.6 48Gb - 1080Ti Hybrid - Warthog - RIFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Don't buy the Hawk until the devs fix it for good. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimmerdylan Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Don't buy the Hawk until the devs fix it for good. I'm always on the fence about the Hawk. I want so badly to like this AC but it's been plagued with so many issues. It's really a shame because VEAO has got a lot of trust earning to do as far as I am concerned. I'm not apt to shell out any more money for their modules until I start hearing more positive feedback on their releases. I usually don't pay much attention to stuff like that but in the Hawk's case.....It was pretty much 90% true. On the plus side, it is fun and easy to fly. I just cannot take it very seriously at this point in time. They fixed a few very important issues for 1.5 but those patches have yet to make their way to 2.1. But for now....I would have to side with the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 From a Hawk owner, await ironed out product before committing. Get the Bolt. WBK out. pffft Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I also own the Hawk , such buyers remorse I woiuld wait METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Thanks all. Seems like you're all in agreement. I'll get the Viggen and hold off until this Hawk is better squared away. Don't buy the Hawk until the devs fix it for good. I'm always on the fence about the Hawk. I want so badly to like this AC but it's been plagued with so many issues. It's really a shame because VEAO has got a lot of trust earning to do as far as I am concerned. I'm not apt to shell out any more money for their modules until I start hearing more positive feedback on their releases. I usually don't pay much attention to stuff like that but in the Hawk's case.....It was pretty much 90% true. On the plus side, it is fun and easy to fly. I just cannot take it very seriously at this point in time. They fixed a few very important issues for 1.5 but those patches have yet to make their way to 2.1. But for now....I would have to side with the above. From a Hawk owner, await ironed out product before committing. Get the Bolt. WBK out. pffft Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I also own the Hawk , such buyers remorse I woiuld wait 6700K@4.6 48Gb - 1080Ti Hybrid - Warthog - RIFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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