frixon28 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) The manual is wrong. Its full of mistakes. Says who? No offense but I need a source from a dev, not just someone saying thats it wrong because they might of heard it through the rumor mill or just want to ignore a fact. As of now the manual is correct until proven otherwise Edited June 9, 2017 by frixon28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 :( This whole discussion, every single time, goes to "well we'd need a modern Flanker and that's not happening." in some phrasing or another. So perfection isn't happening, okay, fine, what about 'good enough'? That's what FC3 is about, after all! #AddAdders You know, despite what I said earlier, the more I think about it the more it appeals to me:) Perhaps the 104th Can add it to a mission and see what happens. Does it have to be both server and client side? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_Cougar Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 @GGTharos Okay I see. Thanks for the info. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 And they have to disable integrity AFAIK. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 In order to get realistic reaction from pilots is only possible if missile pose a danger. I dont see a problem in Su-27 using R-77 in order to get some reaction from pilots. Other option could be to fly 80s. The best solution would be if ED could make SARH and modern heaters more respected by pilot that are defending them. 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn kamikaze Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 As said the Su27 Flanker in DCS is an Su27S it wasn't until the upgrade to Su27SM standard in 2003 that gave the 27 a radar that could utilise the R77, blame the USSR break up. I believe the 33 still hasn't received this upgrade, last I read they were replacing them with MiG29K. ..... and by 2003 the F-15 had the AIM-120 for about 12 years, the AIM-120A entering service just after GW1, with rumours that it was carried by some coalition aircraft (not F-15's) in hopes of testing it in combat, that eventually happened in 1992 with an F-16D shooting down a MiG-25 that breached a no fly zone. So it is hardly unrealistic given that 12 year window for an F-15C with AIM-120's (deliveries of the 120C began in 1996) to go against an Su-27S armed with only R-27's and R-73's. If people say they want the R-77 for the Su-27, then next it will be other people complaining they want the AESA F-15's, and around and around we go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Fair fight without constricting everyone to the same airframe. Not wishlist. But its easier to simply limit payloads. Hence Blueflag, RedFlag, 104th missions etc.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 ..... and by 2003 the F-15 had the AIM-120 for about 12 years, the AIM-120A entering service just after GW1, with rumours that it was carried by some coalition aircraft (not F-15's) in hopes of testing it in combat, that eventually happened in 1992 with an F-16D shooting down a MiG-25 that breached a no fly zone. So it is hardly unrealistic given that 12 year window for an F-15C with AIM-120's (deliveries of the 120C began in 1996) to go against an Su-27S armed with only R-27's and R-73's. If people say they want the R-77 for the Su-27, then next it will be other people complaining they want the AESA F-15's, and around and around we go..... The AIM-120C5 which is the deadliest missile in DCS is a 2003 missile, the 120B is no more deadly than EDs R-77. Russia already had a Flanker with AMRAAMSKI in 1990, the Su30, if people want parity for multiplayer enjoyment I don't see why that is an issue. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Are we talking about the actual 5 Su-30's that Russia operated, or the ones they sold to everyone but themselves? At least there seems to be somewhat limited information about this aircraft's development - lots of variants, all or almost all of them exported. I believe Russia acquired some for themselves in the 2010's, but I'm not sure. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Russia is operating today 40-50 Su-30SM and a new batch for another 17 delivering in 2017 for a total estimated of about 90 frames at the end of the contract. Both VVS and Navy. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) You know, despite what I said earlier, the more I think about it the more it appeals to me:) Perhaps the 104th Can add it to a mission and see what happens. Does it have to be both server and client side? Any mods like that need to be client and server if you have the IC enabled otherwise it's just client-only. As far as I know, at least. I think it should be a stock feature to be honest. Unrealistic on the small scale (Su-27S has no Adders!!!!!) but when you consider it as the only land-based Flanker we've got, Adders are indeed quite appealing! :thumbup: Are we talking about the actual 5 Su-30's that Russia operated, or the ones they sold to everyone but themselves? At least there seems to be somewhat limited information about this aircraft's development - lots of variants, all or almost all of them exported. I believe Russia acquired some for themselves in the 2010's, but I'm not sure. Russia is procuring two Su-30 variants now: SM and M2. The SM is a modification of the more advanced MKx models and the M2 is, from what I understand, nearly a two seat Su-27SMx. There's a few of those really old Su-30s that are far more similar to the Su-27S (with improved air to ground capability I think? TV screen in the backseat I wanna say?????) than anything. No idea if they had Adder capability or how many were built/operated. They had a newer-ish radar, I believe. Edit: Actually, I think I'm wrong about the M2 according to the most reliable source known to man, Wikipedia. It's a mod of the upgraded export ones as well. MK2. Edited June 9, 2017 by Sweep Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etherlight Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 My solution to the Spamraam-bullshit is fairly simple: flying Operation Blueflag, boom, done. Fun fights are to be had. The real cancer will strike when the F-18 is out with it's what? 10 Spamraams? Good Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The real cancer will strike when the F-18 is out with it's what? 10 Spamraams? Good Lord. Or the Typhoon with its 4 x METEOR or AIM-120-C7 + 6 x ASRAAM or IRIS-T + 3 tanks. Hence my earlier comment about the Russian 'side' of things gradually trailing the NATO aircraft offerings in DCS. I think most of us Su-27 pilots like a challenge, but there comes a time when you end up trying to bring the proverbial 'knife to a gun fight'. I can honestly envisage a scenario in which there will be literally about 20 people willing and able to fly the Su-27 in anything other than a SP mission :( System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) Are we talking about the actual 5 Su-30's that Russia operated, or the ones they sold to everyone but themselves? At least there seems to be somewhat limited information about this aircraft's development - lots of variants, all or almost all of them exported. I believe Russia acquired some for themselves in the 2010's, but I'm not sure. Plus 17 Su27M (Su35) before the turn of the century. Russia currently has Su30SM, M2 plus the single seat 27 variants Su35S, Su27S, Su27SM and Su27SM3 (new build SM). Su35S being the top dog. The thing with this Russia vs USA thing is that the cold war was virtually over in the late eighties, USSR was about to collapse and funding for military hardware was on the back burner. The technology and production lines were there but the requirement and funding wasn't. If we choose to create nonsensical fantasy scenarios in DCS then we need a fantasy Soviet Union to go with it. Edited June 10, 2017 by Frostie "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Sadly I dont think we are getting meteors with the VEAO Typhoon. Its buried in one of their threads in the subforum. Likewise im not so sure re: Iris-t and asraam. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudikoff Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Plus 17 Su27M (Su35) before the turn of the century. The thing with this Russia vs USA thing is that the cold war was virtually over in the late eighties, USSR was about to collapse and funding for military hardware was on the back burner. The technology and production lines were there but the requirement and funding wasn't. If we choose to create nonsensical fantasy scenarios in DCS then we need a fantasy Soviet Union to go with it. Though some Su-27M were produced, the type never entered operational service. Though, I'm all for having the Su-27M (and MiG-29M/K) in DCS for early 90's scenarios involving a fictional SU that didn't break apart. Russia is procuring two Su-30 variants now: SM and M2. The SM is a modification of the more advanced MKx models and the M2 is, from what I understand, nearly a two seat Su-27SMx. They're not procuring the M2's anymore. As far as I've read, those were unsold airframes made for China so RuAF took them as two-seat trainers for the squadrons operating the SM/SM3 variants. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I just mean in the 90's, I know they're buying up a lot of stuff now :) Anyone can create fantasy stuff, it's not a big deal - the sim is a game, and a sim is what you make of it in the end. Plus 17 Su27M (Su35) before the turn of the century. Russia currently has Su30SM, M2 plus the single seat 27 variants Su35S, Su27S, Su27SM and Su27SM3 (new build SM). Su35S being the top dog. The thing with this Russia vs USA thing is that the cold war was virtually over in the late eighties, USSR was about to collapse and funding for military hardware was on the back burner. The technology and production lines were there but the requirement and funding wasn't. If we choose to create nonsensical fantasy scenarios in DCS then we need a fantasy Soviet Union to go with it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 OMG if we got 50 cents for every time a thread EXACTLY like this has popped up on these forums... :D Gets some memories back! :D [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Kinda makes you feel at home.. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Russia is procuring two Su-30 variants now: SM and M2. The SM is a modification of the more advanced MKx models and the M2 is, from what I understand, nearly a two seat Su-27SMx. Yes pretty much - the multirole variants of the Su-30 fall in two categories originating from the initial export orders Su-30MKI and Su-30MKK for India and China respectively - the former is the more advanced version with TVC and phased array radar, while the latter is a more "budget approach" without TVC and with an upgraded version of the original N001 radar. The Su-30SM that is currently being procured by the Russian airforce is practically the same as India's Su-30MKI(except for various non-russian systems of French and Israeli origin), while the Su-27SM is a similar approach as with the Chinese Su-30MKK. There's a few of those really old Su-30s that are far more similar to the Su-27S (with improved air to ground capability I think? TV screen in the backseat I wanna say?????) than anything. The old Su-30(Su-27PU) from around 1990 was a dedicated interceptor variant operated by the PVO(airdefence forces) - it was practically an Su-27UB with an IFR probe, but reportedly had an expanded datalink capability allowing it to act as a mission controller for a flight of single seat Su-27s, where the back-seat crew member functioned as RIO(hence the TV screen in the back). No idea if they had Adder capability or how many were built/operated. They had a newer-ish radar, I believe. No it had the same radar(N001) and weapons(R-27R/ER and -T/TE) as the standard Su-27, but had an improved EOS(also fitted to the Su-33). Only a handful(5 or 6 airframes) were built and may have been operated more as evaluation/operational testing rather than being in actual service - AFAIK they were later reclaimed by Sukhoi and some of them used as prototypes for the multirole Su-30MK. Prior to the Su-30MKI, India bought a batch Su-30Ks - an export variant of the original Su-30, which apparently lacked the mission controller aspect and as such was little more than an Su-27UB with an IFR probe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Sadly I dont think we are getting meteors with the VEAO Typhoon. Its buried in one of their threads in the subforum. Likewise im not so sure re: Iris-t and asraam. I could just about see the point of not getting the Meteor as it doesn't really exist yet, but not having at least the ASRAAM will be a bit of a blow, especially since there have been Typhoon F2's sitting on QRA with them mounted since late 2007. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 ASRAAM is planned, or at least it was a few months ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehuman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Actually with ASRAAM and AIM-9X coming to DCS it's only a matter of time before a thread wanting R-74 pops up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stBEAST Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 why upgrading the flanker? why not downgrading the eagle instead? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFire Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 ASRAAM is planned, or at least it was a few months ago... Ah good. I wonder if we'll get the full 90-degree-off-bore, LOAL capability version. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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