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Old 05-25-2018, 09:26 PM   #1
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Hi guys,
Learning to fly Mustang and most critical phases for me are take off and landing. Very hard to keep it steady. I can take off( bit wobly, tho) but when it comes to landing Im struggling to keep it steady on approach and to also im too high or low,most of the time. Do you trim for landing, or reset trimmers? Any advice on visual approach also will be much appreciated.
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Old 05-25-2018, 09:32 PM   #2
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This video helped me a lot with the landings:

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Old 05-25-2018, 10:20 PM   #3
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Most do a turning final, because it keeps constant visual of the runway. I myself don't, and just come straight in, which is a habit I have to break. Because of the nature of my landing (I wheel land the Mustang) I can still keep a constant full view of the runway, but I don't pass over the runway to make sure it's clear.

For a beginner, you want to perform three-point landings (although I've seen some real life pilots go straight to two off the bat).

I don't trim. I actually rely on the constant pitching down when the flaps are dropped. Once over the runway, I just ease the stick centered and it sets down, no bounce. I think most trim. You can if it makes things easier for you. For me, not trimming the pitch is easier.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:10 PM   #4
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You should be at an appropriate height into the circuit, say 1200ft, or 1500ft and trim, preferably entering it before downwind, conduct your landing checks on downwind, this includes drop flaps and U/C, be at say around 150mph for that, retrim, turn onto base when the threshold is around 45 degrees behind your wingtip, then on base start your descent, trim the aircraft once established in the desired descent, always trim the aircraft, whether you're in a steady climb, steady descent, or straight and level, it'll reduce your workload and prevent hunting, or PIOs, turn finals, adjust your approach speed for say around 110-120mph, and trim, as you lose sight of the numbers begin to bring the throttle back to idle and and gently ease the stick back a little to hold-off from landing, let the aircraft settle on its own, once on the ground stick eased full-back and let the aircraft slow on its own, only used the brakes once you can look out the side and envisage say a run/sprinting speed.

You'll get used to the sight-picture of the airfield when it's right, too low? Throttle up a little and adjust the pitch to maintain the desired approach speed, too high? Throttle back and let the nose come down a bit to maintain the desired approach speed, do not nose down to make the runway, you'll speed up and use up the runway.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:15 PM   #5
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When performing three-point landings, it can make it easier to trim. I've never had a problem. Sometimes I trim up some though.
I haven't done 3s in a while though, mostly doing wheel landings. For those, I don't trim. I rely on that constant nose down pressure, actually.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:24 PM   #6
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Not trimming is negative training for me, flying actual aircraft; always trim, especially in the circuit. It is especially important during the descent/landing phase, the turn onto finals for example; you're maintaining lookout for other aircraft that may be on long finals and not on comm's, it only takes a second looking out to your left/right for the nose to drop a little if you're not trim.
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Old 05-26-2018, 01:12 AM   #7
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Trimming helps control the approach speed and rate of decent. I use 150 mph and 1000 fpm decent rate. Get them both nailed, and adjust power to make changes to being high or low in the pattern. Don’t try to drag the plane in at too low an altitude. Come in high enough to always see the runway and the spot you are aiming for. Fly about a 20 degree final, cut the power, and flair to land.

I take off with about 3 degrees right rudder and pitch trim nose down 3 and a half white marks from neutral. I want to be the one that decides when the plane should lift off. No sudden ballooning., that way. Also, some right stick and all the way back until the rudder takes affect.

There are several good utube tutorials.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:05 AM   #8
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I'm hesitant to give any advice because I stink at landing those. However, once upon a time I had pretty good practice and it seemed the key for me was to take it easy and not let it bounce. It just gets worse if it bounces so I had to bring it in easy and flare gently but authoritatively. That's all I could concentrate on really. I can't remember all the numbers and what not. But now I can't do that even because I never fly the bird.
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:07 AM   #9
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Thanks for all the input guys, appreciate it.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:27 PM   #10
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The P-51 training missions has a pretty good landing mission. It will start you at altitude and lead you through a series of gates, with verbal instructions, right down to the threshold. After landing, it has you exit the runway, park, and shut down the engine. I follow the training mission with the Instant Action landing mission. It takes a lot of practice, but it's doable.

I used to dial in six degrees of right rudder trim when I was learning to take off. I never use any now, just pull the stick back and dance on the rudder pedals. One thing I do when taking off is to raise the tail (push the stick forward of neutral) at about 80-90 MPH. This reduces the angle of attack (AOA) to prevent lifting too soon and stalling. I do it on all of my taildraggers. Makes take offs much more controllable.

Bottom line; keep doing the landing training mission until you develop the muscle memory and you feel comfortable. Then keep doing the Instant Action Landing mission until you are comfortable. HINT: the airfield elevation in the Instant Action landing mission is about 1,500 feet above mean sea level.
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