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Old 03-06-2019, 03:42 PM   #11
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Yaeah, you could take off from Caucasus and drop bombs in Syria or Persian Gulf, a nice refuelling mission !!!
Quite, there’s loads of potential uses. I get that these might not appeal to everyone, but you deal with that by charging to low res whole world as just any other terrain.

Some examples that I’d love to have:
- ww2 bomber escort. Take off in Norfolk and fly to Berlin and back
- cat and mouse carrier battles in genuinely big oceans
- any form of long range strike
- sight seeing around the alps in a Viggen
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Old 03-06-2019, 04:04 PM   #12
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what distances do u guys intend to fly in a world map? im not sure many people would endure 4 hour one way flights to the battlezone and then get shot down instantly.

for me its enough to extend flight times shifting to auto generated area, preferably over water.

i also think its better to focus on specific theatres as mentioned in the posts above. it´s likely that terrain size will grow in future.
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:46 PM   #13
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Personally I'm not interested in a world map.


I like details and I think that including low-res versions of the rest of the world will just give people the wrong impression about DCS. Everybody wants to fly over their own country, but if it's low-res then why bother? It'll just be ugly and unsatisfying.



Further I think that for the purpose the maps are big enough. Crossing the Persian Gulf in a Viggen at supersonic speeds while flying 20m above the water is fun, but that's more than enough for me.
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:33 PM   #14
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As a Mission Builder, I understand the need of "room" or "space" and sometimes you find yourself wishing for this or that area. Still We do not need the Whole World thing. Unless you plan to fly intercontinental bombers (witch none are present on DCS yet). For Tactical aircraft we have enough "space".

Maybe we could have a same base map, with different "detailed areas" for instance Caucasus as we have now, but instead of adding Crimea, to what we have and making it unusable, just make it a different map with Crimea detailed and Georgia plain.. so we can have different missions with continuity, but loading the specific area that the mission would take place on.

AND I would love to see a way to add custom useable bases or airstrips in the Low res part of our current maps, to have more flexibility.
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Old 03-08-2019, 02:20 PM   #15
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Hi.
Most of these "world map" negations seem to focus on long-range flights, which, I agree, can be boring or otherwise unappealing to some.

I would not be a big fan of a low res world with detailed terrain modules at all.
This would make no true difference to what we have right now, to me at anyway.

My reasoning, however, is different. My dream is that one day we will have the DCS World (meaning the Earth) which allows us to freely choose a full fidelity part of the world we want to fly in, at a given time...
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Old 03-08-2019, 03:33 PM   #16
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My reasoning, however, is different. My dream is that one day we will have the DCS World (meaning the Earth) which allows us to freely choose a full fidelity part of the world we want to fly in, at a given time...
that would be awesome
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My reasoning, however, is different. My dream is that one day we will have the DCS World (meaning the Earth) which allows us to freely choose a full fidelity part of the world we want to fly in, at a given time...[/QUOTE]

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Old 03-11-2019, 11:48 AM   #18
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DCS should go ahead and implement the world map to combine Civilian and military modules. The first good steep will be start with civilian destiny like tourist places that at the past were in some kind of war.

America:

Cuba/South Florida map: Two very interesting touristic civilian destinies both with some military operation like "cuban missile crisis" and "Bay of pigs invasion"

Hawaii: Pear Harbor attack, WWII historical attack. with a very important touristic destiny

Barbados: invasion of Barbados. Touristic destiny


Argentina: Malvinas Islands, Mar del Plata and Buenos Aires around, both comercial and touristic destinies.

Africa

Angola: very importan regional war there with a very interesting comercial destiny and South Africans Cities around very interesting for civilian airlines too.

Egipto, Israel and Syria. Well know wars and plenty all around of touristic and comercial destinies


Europa. Tons of conflicts and tons of destinies

Asia the same and so on...
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Most of these "world map" negations seem to focus on long-range flights, which, I agree, can be boring or otherwise unappealing to some.

I would not be a big fan of a low res world with detailed terrain modules at all.
This would make no true difference to what we have right now, to me at anyway.

My reasoning, however, is different. My dream is that one day we will have the DCS World (meaning the Earth) which allows us to freely choose a full fidelity part of the world we want to fly in, at a given time...
That would be nice indeed, but impossible due to technical limitations.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:20 PM   #20
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Hello everyone,

I have been following the development of DCS for a few years now. And since some years iask me,
why the developers or a company do not offer a big map/terrain/theater that is computer
generated. And in the year 2019 this problem still exists.

What i want to say is, that a combat simulator with aircrafts like a F-14 or F-18, which
are really good implemented, needs a good terrain.

Why should i fly with a military jet with weapons at the peaceful area like NEVADA Test and
Training Range Map? Its a part
of the USA, the landscape is empty and there is peace. And i do not attack some civilians in
there cars. I need an enemy for a combat simulator.

Why not theaters like balkan, korea, vietnam, pacific, afrika, iran, .... ?

I think, that is the main problem of DCS and why not so much people buy aircrafts. You have
very good DCS aircrafts inside a good simulator, but no terrain, where
you can fly them. And why should i buy an aircraft for 70 dollars, if i do not have a good
theater, where
i can fly it? The mission editor is great, but i cannot place a tank battalion to the NEVADA
Training Range,
because i do not attack my own people with a F-18/F-14. And i don’t think, the russians will
invade las vegas in the near future.

Ok, you can say, there exists the terrain : Persian Gulf Map.
But there is no real conflict and i don't want the bomb the Burj Khalifa or Burj al Arab
building.

We need conflicts like taiwan/china or North/South Korea or the balkan conflict in the 90.
And by the way. All maps are to small. I start with a F-18, and after some minutes, i reached
the border of the terrain.

Some people know X-Plane with the autogen buildings and forests, that are based on the OSM data
from openstreetmap. If you use this information in combination with satellites images, you have
the following results:
https://www.muenster.de/~marvel/x-pl...er1/thumb.html
https://www.muenster.de/~marvel/xplane/thumb.html

And there is nothing handmade only autogen and osm data and its world wide.

Why cannot the developers create a program that reads this openstreetmap OSM data, combine them
with
google/bing satellite images and the world map, or a special 1500x1500 miles area, is ready for
DCS? All information are inside the OSM data and are for free.
I think the most users and me don't need handmade buildings, airports, trees
and all the other stuff likes this one :
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.c...0x1000_v1b.jpg
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.c...406/PG-720.jpg
http://yoyosims.pl/sites/default/fil...lf%20map_7.jpg


If i fly at 25.000 feet, i don't see a flag or the door/window of a building or any other details. It doesn't matter. Take a look at this images at FL > 150.
http://www.no9squadron.com/wp-conten...s-hornet-6.png
https://stormbirds.files.wordpress.c...ms2.jpg?w=1200
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/stea...g?t=1538428958
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.c...0000_00071.png

https://bsnews.info/wp-content/uploa...ait-hormuz.jpg
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/stea...g?t=1538428958
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/stea...g?t=1538428958
https://stormbirds.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=496&h=279


There i need only really, simple low res buildings. Only at start and landing you see the
ground. Then you climb to FL > 250 and see only your cockpit, instruments, the sky, clouds and
satellite images from the ground.

Ok, some of you say now, that you want handmade High Res Maps. Its okay. You can buy this
handmade map and place this high res terrains over
the future procedural generated world maps of DCS. I have no problem with that. But the other
pilots like me want to fly
long range strikes (> 150 miles) at 30.000 feet, doing air refueling, dogfights in balkan/korea
and create complex missions with the great DCS mission editor in a 1500x1500 miles area. For
this there is no need for a handmade terrain like the persian gulf map or the next afghanistan
terrain/map.
By the way. Why afganistan? There is again the problem, that there is only desert and empty
landscape like the nevada test range map. There exists only taliban with there AK 47 machine
gun like this one:
http://www.osaarchivum.org/files/ima...ts/2017/01.jpg

What should i do there with a modern F-18/F-14 Fighter? The taliban do not have an aircrafts
like mig 29S or SU 35. And they have no air defensive like patriot or SA-10/S-300. What can i
do then there with a modern combat fighter like the f-14 or f-18?

I would really prefer to fight in real conflicts all over the world against strong enemies. And
for me there is no reason, why it should not be possible for the DCS developers
to create a program, that generates maps automatic with the Osm openstreetmap data like the
X-plane maps.
That should be feasible without much effort.
In my opinion is DCS a very good simulator for vfr flights at low level to take a look on
beautiful buildings that are handmade.


Its a little bit like, if you have a great racing simulator, but no racetrack. Only a parking
spot behind a supermarket with the name : “ KFC Test and Training parking Spot map“.

But I do not give up. Maybe there will be a good terrain in the near future.

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